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So i heard that heaps of people who are currently studying medicine say that medicine is really bad and that they regret their decision of choosing med. could someone who is currently doing medicine, please explain why this might be the case. thanks
 

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Inb4 this guy got 0-20%ile in umat and is just taking out his anger on medicine.
 

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No but seriously what is the consensus among med students. Do they usually find it's worth all the blood sweat and tears or are they left jaded with something that initially appeared glamorous?
 

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in all honesty, ive come across 5+ who have been saying this. and tbh although my umat wasnt great, ive gotten a guaranteed entry into UQ and i have a small chance of getting into unsw (depends on interview hahah) and i just wanted to make sure that i knew what i was getting into before i committed cause life is too short :/ but yeh if anyone has any experience please help me out here.
 

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No but seriously what is the consensus among med students. Do they usually find it's worth all the blood sweat and tears or are they left jaded with something that initially appeared glamorous?
It depends on the individual and if you actually enjoy it or not. Just because everybody likes or hates something doesn't meant that you have to conform to their ideas :p
 

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It depends on the individual and if you actually enjoy it or not. Just because everybody likes or hates something doesn't meant that you have to conform to their ideas :p
I wasn't asking what it is that I should think, just if the people that get in find that it's all 'worth it'.
 

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im sure that if you enjoy it, it will be well worth it. so it will be up to the individual. i just want to see other people's reasons for not liking med (i.e. too much things to memorise) then i can kinda get a feel of if i will like it or not.
 

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im sure that if you enjoy it, it will be well worth it. so it will be up to the individual. i just want to see other people's reasons for not liking med (i.e. too much things to memorise) then i can kinda get a feel of if i will like it or not.
fair enough, could've named the thread something other than "medicine is shit" though lol
 

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in all honesty, ive come across 5+ who have been saying this. and tbh although my umat wasnt great, ive gotten a guaranteed entry into UQ and i have a small chance of getting into unsw (depends on interview hahah) and i just wanted to make sure that i knew what i was getting into before i committed cause life is too short :/ but yeh if anyone has any experience please help me out here.
how do you have guaranteed entry into UQ? so i don't get it are you or aren't you going to study medicine?
 

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It depends on the individual and if you actually enjoy it or not. Just because everybody likes or hates something doesn't meant that you have to conform to their ideas :p
This pretty much - I hated Law and didnt think it was worth the effort, I'm sure my mate would disagree because he loves it.
 

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Yeh i should have named it something else but it sure got people's attention hahaha. Also i have a 99.5 estimate (i am praying that it doesnt drop) and if i am able to maintain this ATAR, then ill will have secured a bonded position at UQ at the very least. and atm i am srsly considering to do medicine.
 

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But in all seriousness, I've met only one undergrad student who said she regretted choosing med, let alone OP hearing "lots of people"

To get into med is very rigorous, they don't let half arsed people get in which is why you need a substantially good Atar/equiv ans umat. Its not like a science degree where if you don't like a chemistry major, you can change to nano or whatever tomorrow. Med is a pretty big commitment both financially and academically. If you're having a sook now them IMO, med isn't for you

(Btw, I don't do med but don't want to get infracted for derailing)

Mods pls rep and lyk, 9/11 was an inside job And kevin for PM

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If you are a prospective med student, from the sound of things, I would suggest sorting yourself out first. Take some time to see if the thing is for you during your undergrad at UQ if you go for that. Do some volunteer work at hospitals, as that's probably as close you will come to actual an practice environment. Read about medicine and talk to people actually in medicine. (Most med students prob. love it and hate it.)

Some people enter medicine, convincing faculties or interviewers, that they are a safe pair of hands and would be committed to the hard and long slog of the course and thereafter. However, they truthfully aren't cut out for it or their hearts aren't in it (or they lose their drive, passion or whatever you want to call it) and some do drop out. Some get through all those barrier exams and do something else like investment banking or consultancy. Some qualify and practise for a while before compassion fatigue or empathy burnout or something gets them.

For most people, medicine isn't as academically, financially, professionally or otherwise rewarding as people make it to be.

For the time being, just do what you can, taking one step in front of the other, taking one day at a time — get that 99.5 ATAR, keep your doors open and work on yourself. You're too young to become jaded.
 

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It's not about why others don't want to do medicine. It's about why "YOU" want to do medicine?
 

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Alright I'll give my two cents, second hand from my brother who is currently doing med. Whilst he is enjoying the course, and it is rewarding and all that, he sees that it isnt really all it cracked up to be. Most people think that there is a progression that easily comes after getting in: Do med -> specialise in whatever you want -> get lots of $$$$$$$$$$. But at the moment, medicine schools are producing more doctors than there is a need for. This might seem wrong- everyones seen the stats with med students at the highest employment 5 years out of uni, and getting good salaries, but this is because they are guaranteed intern positions at hospitals- they are those people you see in scrubs and what not going around talking to patients. Sure they earn handsome salary, but they work 60 hour weeks, night shifts, overtime and in comparison to other degrees like engineering, this is shit. They are making less than engineers who have 40 hour weeks and no night shifts etc.

So you don't want to be an intern for two long- no worries, I've got my degree, let me go specialise, right? Wrong. Most specialist training schemes take less than ten people a year. For example, opthamology takes 3 a year. To put that in perspective, every year ~100 people graduate from each medical school, and my brother said the 5th yearers at his uni were saying they looked to apply, and found each scheme had over 1000 applicants. Thats 0.3% chance of getting in. Don't get in? Well next year hundreds more people just graduated and want to specialise. GG.

So it becomes a game- the form for paediatric GP training scheme had 3 opening questions: 1) Are you first in your med degree? 2) Do you have a PhD? 3) Have you performed XYZ operations? You can just imagine with over 1000 applicants, atleast 3 are going to have a phd or be first or done all these operations, so goodbye Jimmy who's just graduated 2 years ago, try again next year. The system therefore becomes a game of who has amassed the most masters degrees, has the best PhD, who comes first. And you know what that means: more time spent being an intern with 60 hour weeks and average money. So you do your PhD over 6 years, at the same time working massive hours (gl finding the time lol) and trying to convince the doctors to let you sit in on the operations. You are now 30. You finally get into that fucking opthamology scheme. You study for 3 more years, you have to pass more tests, you come out as a specialist doctor at the age of 33.

Now you can make the $$$. But is it worth it? Your friends who did computer science or law have been earning good money for an extra 5 years, and at the same time have gotten married, started their families, climbed the corporate ladder. Every year you might earn more, but they've had yhears of experience and solid salary that you missed. And lets not even start on the lifestyle side- how are you going to manage getting married, having kids, giving them a good childhood if your working night shifts and working your ass off to finish this fucking PhD at the age of 28.

Some make it- for some the progression is easy. But lets face it- is that you?
 

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^^ Very insightful post. I still think there's people that will read that and say "i'm willing to do all those things", and you know what? good for them. i love seeing people who are truly passionate about what they do.

but on the other hand, i think status, image and 'prestige' are some of the most powerful forces in the world. the money comes second for most people. most of us just want to feel like our existence is validated, which is why so many people turn to medicine - the selflessness is alluring and we all want to feel like we're doing something noble (and hence leave our mark on the world). telling people 'the money isn't fantastic and it takes too long' won't do much for most people - in the end being able to say you're a 'med student' is all that matters
 

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the selflessness is alluring and we all want to feel like we're doing something noble (and hence leave our mark on the world). telling people 'the money isn't fantastic and it takes too long' won't do much for most people - in the end being able to say you're a 'med student' is all that matters
yeah of course, and that is extremely true- in terms of personal satisfaction medicine is one of the best, imagine the feeling as you write the reports of your patient, each one being more and more positive of their outlook with their lung cancer until 3 years later you hand him a sheet of paper officially clearing him, which he takes and cries in happiness. Compare this to being a scientist- you might make a drug that cures 100,000, but whos going to write to you and personally thank you. I just want people to know that its not all money and happiness, even if youre the smartest of the smart. If you're just in it for a secure career filled with money, think harder. Every year you have to re apply as an intern- its not as secure as many think. Sure for the first couple of years its essentially guaranteed, but every year youre trying to get on a scheme, theres a chance that the hospital will say sorry mate, you didn't make the cut this time
 

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Personal satisfaction is decreasing with medicine as shown by the surveys done by US doctors where ~80% don't encourage their children to pursue a career in medicine. Australia has not reached that stage yet but it is in the process. From experience most patients aren't really grateful, you will see a few patients here and there that make you heart melt but most patients don't seem to appreciate your work and they become frequent flyers (coming back into hospital often). Happiness and gratification is also a matter of perspective. Helping people gives me satisfaction but so does making money and also so does giving back to the community and helping my family. So gratification from helping people from a medical perspective is again not a strong motivating factor to study medicine.

At the end of the day it shouldn't be about the money. It should be because of your passion or interest. Interest isn't a strong motivating factor to endure 3-6 years of PHD and constant need to push yourself ahead of other brilliant people (you will also be competing with overseas doctors).

But basically, I've told this to everyone before and there have been a few believers and a lot of skeptics. I hope the skeptics will wake up and stop being in denial.
 

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