Coronavirus/Covid-19 Discussion Thread (3 Viewers)

[brent012]

Hey just seeing where was this from?

a mate sent it to me from discord

These are Dr Chris Billington's graphs that get posted on reddit.

You can find the graphs and methodology here: https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NSW.html

 

[DarkOperator618]

These are Dr Chris Billington's graphs that get posted on reddit.

You can find the graphs and methodology here: https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NSW.html

ahh okay thx

 

[Trebla]

Thus more potential to spiral out of control, as it seems to have done...

I disagree, using the previous outbreaks as a model to prognosticate future trends etc is rendered useless with the heightened infectiousness of the variant and lack of ability to bring the situation under control, which was not necessarily the case with the earlier outbreaks... Victoria saw 600+ cases in their major outbreak months ago but I would argue that NSW's present situation is even more dire given the nature of the Delta variant.

Just to be clear, I didn’t actually make any inference about future trends based on the previous waves. To clarify, my comparison was purely a statement of the data as of today comparing the outcomes of this wave so far versus previous waves at a similar point in time.

The whole point of why we even care in the first place is because we want to minimise infections/hospitalisations/deaths. Therefore these are the key metrics to gauge the situation.

You have concerns about the Delta variant because of its potential to spike up infections/hospitalisations/deaths. Therefore, the situation would be concerning if these metrics were very high given we’re already over month in this wave. However, whilst they may be high, they are yet to be as high as previous waves. In fact, daily case numbers are increasing at a slower rate with a lower count than at the same point of Melbourne’s second wave (where cases rapidly increased to 300+). That’s not to downplay the concern but putting it in perspective based on where we are today.

I am not making any calls about how bad the future state could be and I would personally withhold any calls about it being the worst outbreak until those key metrics actually do exceed those of Melbourne’s second wave.

 

[BLIT2014]

i must be the only person here who is fully vaccinated

Pfizer or AZ?

 

[SylviaB]

I was going to get a vaccine but then I saw this video and changed my mind

 

[BLIT2014]

Wait how? I thought we can’t get vaccinated until the elderly, health workers, etc. (you know, priorities)

Medical workers/quarantine households or people with underlying health conditions are some of the options if we are talking Pfizer.

Otherwise, AZ is fairly available.

 

[BLIT2014]

Dont know the difference between the two, I just want to get vaccinated

I have a fairly weak immune system and I don’t know what’s going to happen to me if I get covid, so it’s better to stay safe than sorry.

Thanks, I’ll definitely get AZ if its available at my GP : )

Low platelets/family history of clotting are potential issues for the AZ vaccine. Your GP is one of the better-placed positions to help you make the decision if AZ is suitable for you.

 

[DarkOperator618]

Pfizer or AZ?

pfizer

 

[cloud_berry]

Medical workers/quarantine households or people with underlying health conditions are some of the options if we are talking Pfizer.

Otherwise, AZ is fairly available.

wait so since i have a health condition, does that mean i’ll be getting pfizer? because my mom was saying i can’t get vaccinated at all due to that reason

 

[cosmo 2]

lmao if u get az and r young/not obese/didnt otherwise have a choice ur dumb

 

[BLIT2014]

wait so since i have a health condition, does that mean i’ll be getting pfizer? because my mom was saying i can’t get vaccinated at all due to that reason

The underlying health reason is a fairly strict list, such as having had cancer so unlikely you will qualify but best to discuss with a GP.

 

[cloud_berry]

Date set for Year 12 students to RETURN to classrooms as jab ‘program’ mooted

‘I don’t think anybody would begrudge us doing anything we can to get year 12 students safely back to schools’.

7news.com.au

So it turns out year 12 in hotspot areas will be getting a vaccination program and school is set to start for face to face learning Monday 16th of August

 

[cosmo 2]

hahahahaha imagine how absolutely fuckhoused this generation of kids is gonna be, zero social interaction at school, raised on internet/tablets, forced to stay inside during the best/most formative period of their life so old cunce can squeeze a couple extra months of vegetating in a nursing home before they finally kark it from something else

 

[enoilgam]

hahahahaha imagine how absolutely fuckhoused this generation of kids is gonna be, zero social interaction at school, raised on internet/tablets, forced to stay inside during the best/most formative period of their life so old cunce can squeeze a couple extra months of vegetating in a nursing home before they finally kark it from something else

Look this is really nasty to say and Im not endorsing it as something we should pursue, but I reckon that medium-long term countries like Italy/UK/USA will benefit from these deaths. As sad as it is to say, in those countries a lot of those who died were old or chronically ill people who put a significant burden on the economy and health system.

I think after the pandemic is over there should be a big conversation about how we handled the crisis because I think we have significantly mortgaged the future fighting the pandemic and we have also sacrificed significant civil liberties doing so. To me, there are two ways to fight this - the best way is go hard and go early in order to stamp it out (i.e. the Australian approach). If that doesn't work, it should be allowed to run riot. This whole open/close lockdowns is just ridiculous and has prolonged the pandemic for not much gain. Had countries just let it go I think it would have flamed out sooner.

 

[cloud_berry]

Look this is really nasty to say and Im not endorsing it as something we should pursue, but I reckon that medium-long term countries like Italy/UK/USA will benefit from these deaths. As sad as it is to say, in those countries a lot of those who died were old or chronically ill people who put a significant burden on the economy and health system.

I think after the pandemic is over there should be a big conversation about how we handled the crisis because I think we have significantly mortgaged the future fighting the pandemic and we have also sacrificed significant civil liberties doing so. To me, there are two ways to fight this - the best way is go hard and go early in order to stamp it out (i.e. the Australian approach). If that doesn't work, it should be allowed to run riot. This whole open/close lockdowns is just ridiculous and has prolonged the pandemic for not much gain. Had countries just let it go I think it would have flamed out sooner.

well the first paragraph was just unnecessary.. yes, logically it may be less of a burden in the short-term but let’s not forget the people left with long-term complications due to this disease, plus deaths should never be treated as a “convenience,” there’s people who lost their grandparents due to this disease. besides not all chronically people are old and about to drop dead from any cause, some of them are adults & children. not saying you support it btw, i’m just saying it’s a really unnecessary thing to add and people might get the wrong idea.

 

[DarkOperator618]

well the first paragraph was just unnecessary.. yes, logically it may be less of a burden in the short-term but let’s not forget the people left with long-term complications due to this disease, plus deaths should never be treated as a “convenience,” there’s people who lost their grandparents due to this disease. besides not all chronically people are old and about to drop dead from any cause, some of them are adults & children. not saying you support it btw, i’m just saying it’s a really unnecessary thing to add and people might get the wrong idea.

I know a family friend whose uncle died from covid in India, cus he couldn't get a proper hospital bed

yes, this was when covid in India was BAD

 

[SylviaB]

Had countries just let it go I think it would have flamed out sooner.

Sweden says otherwise

 

[cloud_berry]

well there’s two ways to end a pandemic… either, transmission drops to negligible amounts or people simply get sick of lockdown and decide to do whatever. what’s stupid is that, if people hadn’t decided to attempt to socially “end” the pandemic by going to protests, we could end it in the safer option. but nope, looks like people want to see a social end to the pandemic rather than a true end. and i get it, people want their freedom but had they stayed inside for a few more weeks we could have actually had a chance at combatting the virus. but now i’m afraid lockdowns will simply be forced to end to avoid further economic losses and a mental health crisis despite the danger of the virus.

 

[DarkOperator618]

Sweden says otherwise

include India, cus there were constantly lots of large religious gatherings when covid there was BAD earlier this year

 

[Time&moretime]

‘A fair HSC': Year 12 students given special consideration for COVID-19 disruption (msn.com)
For HSC takers this year on the forum, hope you'll find this useful.