What ATAR do you actually need to do Medicine? (3 Viewers)

[Beyblader]

I had thought you need a really high ATAR to do medicine eg I'd heard you need 99.95 to do it at USyd.
But I met a girl today who said her sister was doing med at USyd and had only got an ATAR of 98

On the USyd website it states the following

Student and ATAR admission profiles

Learn more about the selections ranks, by course, for our domestic students admitted in 2021.

www.sydney.edu.au

The overall cohort of students who received an offer from the University.

ATAR (excluding adjustment factors)
• Lowest rank to receive an offer: 60.8
• Median rank to receive an offer: 93.05
• Highest rank to receive an offer: 99.95
Selection rank (ATAR + adjustment factors)
• Lowest rank to receive an offer: 90.05
• Median rank to receive an offer: 97.95
• Highest rank to receive an offer: 99.95

so median ATAR to get an offer was between 93.05 to 97.95

so is it true you only need an atar around 98 to get into medicine? would it be even lower to get into less prestigious unis?

 

[coolcat6778]

DEI is going to kill people. How tf u gonna let some one with below average intelligence (60.8 atar) in ur medicine course? no wonder why usyd is full of leftards. "He's aboriginal which means we should have lower standards for them" This is also indirectly racist

 

[WeiWeiMan]

DEI is going to kill people. How tf u gonna let some one with below average intelligence (60.8 atar) in ur medicine course? no wonder why usyd is full of leftards. "He's aboriginal which means we should have lower standards for them" This is also indirectly racist

ATAR ≠ intelligence, tho fair point, an ATAR that low prob is a sign of low intelligence
also, your competence is seen in your ability to pass medical school and all your training and shit, not your atar. it's not like that's sooo easy that they'd let out some incompetent doctor handling the lives of others. there are also ppl who get in with low atars but did well in GPA/WAM and thus got in later. are you complaining about them? does allowing them into the medical course cause deaths of people due to incompetence? Sure, they got in via academic merit, but is passing the medical course not enough merit to warrant being in the course?

also, what makes a good doctor? is it really being booksmart?

 

[rh_06]

Minimum is like 92 (Western Sydney).
non prestigious uni = 90+ atar
prestigious uni = 96+ (but with rly good UCAT) or 97 (ik sm guy that got into dentistry)

ATAR ≠ intelligence, tho fair point, an ATAR that low prob is a sign of low intelligence

Ye I agree. ATAR measures a wide range of subjects, some/most of which are irrelevant to med. It doesn't define u as a person. Not tryna say 'ATAR doesn't matter' cos it does matter a lot, but for something like med that requires a combination of knowledge and humanity, its unfair to judge someone based solely on their academic performance in high school. A good doctor is someone who knows their stuff but can also empathise with patients, and ik ppl who got sub-par ATARs/marks yet could make better doctors given the proper training and guidance.

 

[Beyblader]

Minimum is like 92 (Western Sydney).
non prestigious uni = 90+ atar
prestigious uni = 96+ (but with rly good UCAT) or 97 (ik sm guy that got into dentistry)

wow are those really realistic scores?
So if someone gets a ATAR of 95 you reckon they would have >50% chance of getting into Medicine?

 

[rh_06]

wow are those really realistic scores?
So if someone gets a ATAR of 95 you reckon they would have >50% chance of getting into Medicine?

Not 50% chance. Tbh it would be quite difficult/unlikely to get in unless u apply for a non prestigious or rural uni. Anything mainstream or in Sydney u need a 98 (at least) to be safe. Even a 99 isn't a guarantee. To get in with a 95, Ur MMI and/or ur ucat has to be rly good.

However ik WSU does have a lower Atar requirement (I think 91.5 for GWS applicants) but admission is weighted by 60% interview and 40% ucat + atar.
It was smth along those lines and that ratio.

 

[Beyblader]

is it true that you can get low ATARs but basically pay for a spot at for profit private unis like Macquarie and Bond if you have rich parents?

are there any other places that kids with low atars can pay for a spot like those 2?

 

[Beyblader]

Not 50% chance. Tbh it would be quite difficult/unlikely to get in unless u apply for a non prestigious or rural uni. Anything mainstream or in Sydney u need a 98 (at least) to be safe. Even a 99 isn't a guarantee. To get in with a 95, Ur MMI and/or ur ucat has to be rly good.

if those figures are correct how do you explain the published data for USyd which says the median ATAR to get an offer was between 93.05 to 97.95?
That implies that a LOT of people got in with lower than 93.05 to 97.95

 

[Eagle Mum]

if those figures are correct how do you explain the published data for USyd which says the median ATAR to get an offer was between 93.05 to 97.95?
That implies that a LOT of people got in with lower than 93.05 to 97.95

?Rural students at the USyd School of Rural Health who spend entire 4 years in Dubbo?

USyd and other unis now also have quarantined places for rural students who can only qualify if they have either lived five consecutive years or ten total years in an R3 rural area. This condition precludes a lot of high ATAR achievers, except the kids of overseas trained doctors who are required to practice medicine for a minimum of five years when they first migrate here, so their kids would meet the rural conditions if the parents fulfilled their registration & visa requirements.

 

[rh_06]

is it true that you can get low ATARs but basically pay for a spot at for profit private unis like Macquarie and Bond if you have rich parents?

are there any other places that kids with low atars can pay for a spot like those 2?

Bond, yes. Maquarie, no (I think). Maq is js ffp but u still need the proper academic requirements.

Bond is like 300k and Ur in

 

[rh_06]

if those figures are correct how do you explain the published data for USyd which says the median ATAR to get an offer was between 93.05 to 97.95?
That implies that a LOT of people got in with lower than 93.05 to 97.95

What I said was a mix of published data, word of mouth, and trends etc in sydney/main areas.
Plus those median stars are for special cases etc. Assuming u dont fit those categories or have any special cases, the general consensus is that 98 is a somewhat safe atar (although still unlikely to get in). It all depends on which uni ur talking abt and Ur atar + any applicable factors u have

 

[nsw..wollongong]

is it true that you can get low ATARs but basically pay for a spot at for profit private unis like Macquarie and Bond if you have rich parents?

are there any other places that kids with low atars can pay for a spot like those 2?

the last i knew of bond is that their lowest atar acceptance in 2023-24 was 95.5, and their gpa postgrad acceptance was arnd 6.2-6.5/7. this isn't an extremely low score at all, and u still do have to do a psychometric exam + interview. imo i don't think they're 'paying to win', its just a different method of entrance. like if any person had the means to do it, they would for sure.

 

[Beyblader]

What I said was a mix of published data, word of mouth, and trends etc in sydney/main areas.
Plus those median stars are for special cases etc. Assuming u dont fit those categories or have any special cases, the general consensus is that 98 is a somewhat safe atar (although still unlikely to get in). It all depends on which uni ur talking abt and Ur atar + any applicable factors u have

But the published figures indicate 50% of the med students got into USyd got in with atars below 93 to 97.95. That’s not just a few special cases or a few rural students - it’s HALF the year
So that data is hard to reconcile with your anecdotal info?

 

[rh_06]

But the published figures indicate 50% of the med students got into USyd got in with atars below 93 to 97.95. That’s not just a few special cases or a few rural students - it’s HALF the year
So that data is hard to reconcile with your anecdotal info?

Read this: https://www.sydney.edu.au/courses/c...AR of 99.95 or,followed by a panel discussion.

It might be bcos of adjustment factors. But like u said, the numbers I've provided are anecdotal. I personally have never heard of anyone getting into usyd med with a 93 atar. A person ik got 99.95 and *only just* got offered an interview, but even that's not guaranteed since u need to pass that.
Don't be content with getting the bare minimum if u want med. Aim for a 98+ imo.
One of my closest friends only just got an offer despite having a 99 atar.

 

[carrotsss]

I had thought you need a really high ATAR to do medicine eg I'd heard you need 99.95 to do it at USyd.
But I met a girl today who said her sister was doing med at USyd and had only got an ATAR of 98

On the USyd website it states the following

Student and ATAR admission profiles

Learn more about the selections ranks, by course, for our domestic students admitted in 2021.

www.sydney.edu.au

The overall cohort of students who received an offer from the University.

ATAR (excluding adjustment factors)
• Lowest rank to receive an offer: 60.8
• Median rank to receive an offer: 93.05
• Highest rank to receive an offer: 99.95
Selection rank (ATAR + adjustment factors)
• Lowest rank to receive an offer: 90.05
• Median rank to receive an offer: 97.95
• Highest rank to receive an offer: 99.95

so median ATAR to get an offer was between 93.05 to 97.95

so is it true you only need an atar around 98 to get into medicine? would it be even lower to get into less prestigious unis?

that’s for the whole uni any course not for med lmfao, select any course and you will see the same it’s a different part of the website

usyd combined medical program (ie straight out of high school guaranteed pathway) entry requires 90 for aboriginal students, 99.5 for rural/low socio and 99.95 for everyone else plus an interview. the only way around this is to go for postgrad med, which is where the bulk of usyd med entry comes from anyway - there’s around 30 spots for the combined program and like 200 for postgrad entry based on gpa/wam + gamsat iirc. so if you know people who got in with lower atars then that’s probably why, or they’re annoying grubs who say they got into med when they’re actually doing medical science.

if you want anecdotal evidence as well, I know a decent chunk of the usyd combined medicine cohort who started last year and all of them got 99.95 or international equivalents of that atar

 

[Beyblader]

that’s for the whole uni any course not for med lmfao, select any course and you will see the same it’s a different part of the website

lol - thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding. I really couldn't understand how the median could be so low

so looking at the website it seems to imply that you must do maths advanced, chemistry and biology at HSC to get into med at USyd?
- so if someone got 99.95 but had done physics instead of chemistry or biology would they really get rejected?

 

[spiderfan44]

DEI is going to kill people. How tf u gonna let some one with below average intelligence (60.8 atar) in ur medicine course? no wonder why usyd is full of leftards. "He's aboriginal which means we should have lower standards for them" This is also indirectly racist

u know that u actually need to pass med school to become a doctor right? you need a gpa of 5 and get 50 in each section of the gamsat to do a doctor of medicine. they also arent letting ppl with an atar of 60 into medicine??

 

[coolcat6778]

• Lowest rank to receive an offer: 60.8

u know that u actually need to pass med school to become a doctor right? you need a gpa of 5 and get 50 in each section of the gamsat to do a doctor of medicine. they also arent letting ppl with an atar of 60 into medicine??

 

[spiderfan44]

'The overall cohort of students who received an offer from the University.' that means all courses at usyd, not just medical science

 

[coolcat6778]

'The overall cohort of students who received an offer from the University.' that means all courses at usyd, not just medical science

oh then its some underwater basket weaving degree then lol