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    what proof is there that god exists?

    I haven't read much of him but I'm sort of familiar with his ideas. I agree with him in that he separates objective knowledge and faith, but do not understand how such an argument can result in anything but the abandonment of such nonsensical faith. The only way I could conceive that one could...
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    what proof is there that god exists?

    To answer the thread title: none, at all. Theories of ontology and theism are based on terribly flawed logic that has been losing ground consistently and rapidly as science gains it. Christians then try and say "well it's just as much a leap of faith to say that he doesn't exist", but this...
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    Well I'm more interested in arts and that kind of stuff. I'm doing honours in early renaissance...

    Well I'm more interested in arts and that kind of stuff. I'm doing honours in early renaissance thought/philosophy in italy next year. It's just far more interesting. I honestly don't know how I'd go about submitting them to SMH. :P
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    Thanks man. There's me, one guy who's from Birmingham and another guy doing advanced physics or...

    Thanks man. There's me, one guy who's from Birmingham and another guy doing advanced physics or something ridiculous over in Boston. I'm trying to get a secular/atheist society organised at university and all that jazz. :) I'm glad someone's actually read it, though!
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    Yes I do. Well, I write it with two other guys but at the moment most of the posts on there are...

    Yes I do. Well, I write it with two other guys but at the moment most of the posts on there are mine. Why? Do you like it?
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Have you not been listening to me? You heard absolutely right. He was religious, a strong Catholic and, indeed, his hatred and anti-Semitism stemmed from a rich Catholic tradition of discrimination, bigotry and persecution of Jews in Europe. As for the Darwinian comment, that's not entirely...
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Even a cursory glance at Mein Kampf will confirm he was a Christian.
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    God wants gays dead, says beauty queen

    Well the problem is that those nutjobs such as Name_Taken are actually doing what their Holy Book tells them to. This is why such barbaric and idiot religions should be discarded by anyone with a rational mind and humanity as a whole should be done with such fairytales. Well then, bluntly, why...
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    This. Hitler was a Roman Catholic and even had the support of the Roman Catholic church through several negotiated treaties even after he began spreading such anti-Semitic filth. I direct anyone who thinks otherwise to this article.
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    God wants gays dead, says beauty queen

    While a far more moral view, the inherent problem is that in saying that God accepts homosexuality is that the Bible quite clearly says he doesn't.
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Is this the appropriate time to start a cult of personality involving non-refundable cash donations and kool-aid?
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Thanks mate. :) Sorry guys, didn't mean to hijack the thread. xD
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Yep. :) I'm 17 in a couple of days, though. I finished my HSC when I was 14 and I turned 15 the April just after I started Uni. It's ... well it's interesting, to say the least. As for the Arts-studentness, I'd say that was a harsh stereotype of most arts students but in reality it's probably a...
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    I won't even bother because this represents your entirely aggressive lack of understanding about how such knowledge functions.
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Definitely a philosophy worth following then. Morals are evidently just as irrelevant to Christians under such an idea.
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    No. It's entirely regulated by natural forces and happened exactly as we should expect it to given the conditions early hominids were surrounded by.
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Just because something happened by chance does not make it any less natural. If you reduce your analysis of such theories to such a misunderstanding of chance, then everything that ever happened ever happened by chance. Like I say, atheism is a far more empowering belief that places both...
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Morality has entirely secular roots and foundations; religion merely mirrors it. If humanity is 'pretty screwed up', then what allows them to get into heaven? If people are rewarded for doing nothing, being screwed up (which is how God created us; how dare he have the balls to blame us for...
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    "Atheism and secularism led to Nazism, mass murder" - Bishop Anthony Fisher

    Because as complex creatures we have a scientifically documented ability to care for our fellow human beings, and as social beings we have an innate evolutionary need to protect our own kind and ensure the stability of the societies in which we live; it was essential for us to even survive a...
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