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Why value life and not non-life?

I loved the conrad black endorsement, got to make him feel all warm and fuzzy inside!

Agreed edit: Actually maybe.

Nope.

You're assuming that they have the mens rea for rape? Well I don't think so, even when they do have sex with an animal I imagine they probably think of it as having the same cognitive abilities as they do.

I don't think the question of consent can exactly be applied to animals. I think it should be looked at more in terms of whether the animal is in pain or not.

Kwayera, do you think it necessarily hurts an animal to perform a sexual act on it? That seems to be the point of contention and you're without a doubt the most knowledgeable person when it comes to zoology on this forum, so I'd really like to hear your opinion.

I'm a speciest, I think anyone who claims not to be is a liar. The question is really how much right we afford to animals in recognising their merits as fellow creatures.

Well... for instance you ever seen a dog humping somone's leg? Do you really think they'd be all that bothered if the person started doing more to them? Seems to me they'd like it more than be hurt...

But they don't necessarily get hurt.

But even if I accepted this (I don't) people keep pets that don't get to have sex with any other creature, either you should be against this and mandate that owners must make sure their pets can get some sex in their lives or you should happily accept their owners providing for them such relief.

I don't think it is mistreating it, in fact many animals may be happier if they're getting regular sex from their owner.... as opposed to the extreme psychological trauma which can happen later in life to victims of pedophilia.

Some people's kink is to get other people to drink out of toilet bowls I'm sure... so yeah are they wrong? Should their desires be outlawed? Maybe? So you'd be against keeping animals without female companions? Pets are allowed to have sex with each other right? Would you allow children to...

Is it right that people keep animals as pets?

So oral would still be okay though? As in having a dog go down on you? They're pack animals and the reason they're so loyal to humans is because we're the leaders of their packs...

Gough Whitlam was the wittiest even if I don't like him... active atm I'd agree with jfk.

Seems no worse than what we get from inter-human relations etc and I don't see any evidence that these diseases can spread into the general population? Aids didn't come from sex but eating them... look at the table, only a couple of them are mainly transmitted through semen. Also, I imagine this...

Because they can't consent to it or because it's inhumane?

Bigboyjames doesn't bother to lay out his arguments because he doesn't really have any, just a ball of frustration and prejudice.

Not true, you couldn't provide any examples. This is silly: a) We already allow greater cruelties to happen. b) We often separate animals from their own companions. c) [some] Animals it seems can enjoy the company of humans just as much as one of their own species. d) There are some...