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No, I'm saying that space/matter/energy etc exist at time=0, they don't "come" into being, they just are there, they're reality. I don't think "being with god" brings any meaning to your life in reality, to me at least it is completely unclear what 'being' with god would entail and I cannot...

Space/Matter etc have been there since time=0, that is effectively "always", since time has existed space/matter have existed. There is no 'before' time any more than there is a square circle. There was no time before the big bang, it just "was", then time existed. It seems to work pretty well...

I don't know, what I do know is those forces which we cannot test/do not see needn't form a part of our reality. What does 'being with God' mean?

Can I ask you a question btw? Do you accept the big bang theory? As far as I understand, from observations we have made it appears that time began sometime around 13.7 billion years ago with a 'big bang', all of the components of our universe having existed since time=0 (the amount of...

I don't think you've answered my question... If you don't know what your ultimate meaning is (i.e. what your purpose will be exactly in heaven, what this entails) how do you have any greater meaning than I do, if you are right and we all have this meaning god has given us? I don't believe I have...

Is reading a book because someone you love told you to more fulfilling than reading one which you chose to read due to self-interest? Well see, I'd define a "meaning" in our conversation as some sort of acknowledged purpose which we act upon, not merely having some sort of purpose. I mean if...

So god's plan has no influence over us?

Ok, then once everyone has died and gone to heaven/hell, what is your meaning then? See, the problem for atheists isn't not having meaning as far as I can tell, you can't deny that atheists have some sort of meaning... It's just that their meaning seems ultimately pointless. I think your meaning...

Ok... What's so great about being "loved by the creator of the universe"? If that's your meaning then you've already fulfilled it, god will love you whether you go to heaven/hell or shoot yourself in the head now. I think you live to please yourself. This whole discussion is about how you...

I think they do at moments of philosophical contemplation, but for the most part I think people in their everyday lives aren't needing to 'attribute' any sort of meaning at all, they are caught up in acts which seem purposeful at the time.... I.e. I'd say for most people, most days, their...

I'm very serious... I don't see God as providing any greater meaning, sure if there is an omnipotent god who has crafted me for a purpose he may know it, but if I have no way of discovering it then what meaning do I have? What meaning does the bible tell us we have? Afaik it tells us our meaning...

After we make choices seems to imply he exists inside of time? Seems like it's our will, not his if he crafts his plan after our decision has been made. If he crafts them before then we have no will, as we must obey his master plan. Even if he exists outside of time, whatever influence he can...

What great & inspiring meaning does belief in God give you?

If then what happens to you in your day to day life is not a part of God's plan but of your volition, I suppose you sympathise with the views of that atheist author?

Do you think your life is orchestrated by god?

Sure enough, if we can know an objective morality and/or at the very least an objective morality does exist then subjective morals sure seem a downgrade. However it appears to me that there is no good evidence for an objective morality nor does it seem possible if there is an objective morality...

You can believe something while still being open to other possibilities. For most christians I suppose they believe it's fine to question belief in god, but you also must accept jesus to be saved, go ahead and question, but the reality in their opinion is that if you don't die accepting jesus as...

Oh ok, so you don't make judgements? You wouldn't tell me that for instance... to have an abortion is wrong?

Do you think that's the church's opinion?

What does "knowing" mean? I mean, I know all about the gospel of christ and his church... I just don't believe it. You think that was made to encompass me? I doubt it.