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So now palestine is a country? I disagree with what the palestinians did also, but their actions are not leading to the destitution of millions of people so it's of little concern to me. So how do we distinguish between which land belongs to palestinians and which does not according to you? Do...

But they only attack the settlers etc because they've had settlements imposed illegally on their lands These are not palestinians. But Israeli's do try to kill palestinians, they also impose severe restrictions on their movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories#Applicability_of_the_term_.22occupied.22 LOL LETS JUST PRETEND THERE'S NOTHING THERE BECAUSE OF A WEAKLY-ARGUABLE LEGAL BLACK HOLE. Yes, this justifies Israel destroying palestinian crops? I'll wait for this.

The west bank and the gaza strip. Oslo? It's really not that simple, but to get away from the legal arguments... Is it wrong for israel to (after invading a land in self defence) remove the local citizens from their homes, destroy their crops, set up their own new communities and exclude the...

I'm not talking about strikes against terrorists, that's probably something I'd be more inclined to understand. I'm talking about comming in with bulldozers, uprooting local farms, destroying local homes, replacing them with israeli settlements and then calling 'defensive measures' when they're...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP No, the title and Indian Princess's portrayal of the situation are completely offmark, the actual title is "Lobby group seeks election of Muslim MP". I'm going to change this thread's title to that now.

Re: Muslim demands their own MP What case? The case that on the whole I find myself agreeing more with christians than muslims? I'm culturally 'christian', it's the expected outcome. This doesn't show in any way that muslims attempting to get a MP 'subverts the democratic process' or that they...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP What do you mean? Do you mean if a christian is running against a muslim on policies based off their religious beliefs? On average I'd say the christian is preferable (as on the whole I find christians to be more secular, hold views closer to my own etc than...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP When it comes to politics, I don't care. It's an interesting thing for sociologists to investigate, but all that matters to me is what in practice their policies translate to.

Re: Muslim demands their own MP I'd take them upon their policies. I don't care much what their personal opinions are, I care more for what effect they have. Hypothetical two identical candidates, only difference being one is muslim and one is christian? Then I might care some for their...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP Incase you've ignored my posts on this forum that don't offend christians, I argue just as heavily (if not moreso) against the muslim appologists on this forum. There's no hypocracy here, I'd vote for a christian who's views are favourable to me if he was for...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP I disagree, while the number of evangelical christians, born agains is probably fairly low, christians in general could probably still support him for religious/political reasons. I see little denominational tiffs anymore regarding christianity in Australia, the...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP I don't know near enough about muslims in nsw state politics, but from what I understand there's several victorian muslim MP's. 'Good people' seem in short supply everywhere in nsw state politics. I'd vote for a muslim if I agreed with their other policies and...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP A 20% muslim population is more than enough of a base, especially if the person running on muslim values is particularly favoured amongst them. If you had to choose, would you prefer the extremely conservative muslim or someone left wing on this issue? I'm...

It's about being more supportive of hezbollah than Israel.

Re: Muslim demands their own MP Fine, what's your problem then? I would argue lakemba is a possible contention, though I can't imagine morris iemma being pushed out.... such strategies are generally longer-term. Exactly. I think bshoc would actually (on a policy basis) support the majority...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP Oh I think I know this one. You find a person who you feel represents both their community and the wider muslim community, you promote/fund/vote for that person ??? Profit. - They're not necessarily promoting someone who is soley for muslims... non-muslims can...

I find it interesting the way israel is always often positioned as 'defending' their citizens, even when such actions are taken in protection of settlements inside the west bank/gaza. I'd like to take this time to point out, I'm starting to worry about the number of threads with 'jew v muslim'...

Re: Muslim demands their own MP It's not really the news articles themselves... but more the follow-up of a misrepresentative, imo bigoted remarks that seem to serve no purpose than to attempt to provoke a flame war. I mean, you make it out although they're pushing for the mandatory...

I've been looking forward to this :) The cinematography so far looks fucking sweet and the story its self is quite a good one.