$1bn 'not sorry enough' - Aboriginal leaders (1 Viewer)

[hiphophooray123]

nah, i'm not eh.

when you say 'fuckin abos' i don't call you racist, do i?

 

[sXcGuRl69aU]

you're the one spewing racist fucking garbage and generalisations all over this forum

what? no, that's me!:Lah:

 

[hiphophooray123]

yeh cept you know enough about me to know im not so i dont understand why you would try imply that i am

I realise it was idiotic of me to assume that the word 'they' would not be taken as me actually thinking every single person who has aboriginal blood in them simply because they have said blood in them. Silly me.

 

[hiphophooray123]

nah laughing at bums with you in the city is more entertaining.

cept i don't come away from the moment with a judgement that you're narrow-minded

has a leftist version of tim andrews taken over the brogan77 account

I'm going to sacrifice fun and lulz from now on for the sake of being seen as more open minded, accepting, intelligent and mature...

 

[Graney]

It is never a race-based judgement, it has more to do with culture than race...
There is outlets for the indigeneous to rise above their stigma (EDIT: to a degree), generally it seems like they choose not to.

You agree that culture determines success hiphop. It therefore seems confused to then lash out at individuals for 'choosing' failure after they've been raised in a culture of fail. People do choose to escape their cultural predestination, but it's unfair to expect a majority to do so without systematic change.

An aspirational culture needs to be created for indigenous communities (easily said...), throwing money at education, motivation and trying to create a sense of empowerment over destiny among youth.

It's pointless, though fair, to attack individuals. Responsibility really needs to be taken for the systems that perpetuates the culture of fail. There needs to be a new culture aimed at giving these blokes a kick up the arse in a positive, pressured way.

 

[hiphophooray123]

Yes I know, learned helplessness and all that. However, yes, people do choose to escape their cultural predestination, and there is sufficient outlets for more too. However, how is this reperation going to help?

Education? How? Is there some words of inspiration that cost a billion dollars or something? What use is there spending money on education if it is not utilised. Yeah, access to education could be improved in areas such as waterfall. In general though, I believe there are sufficient ways in which aboriginals (who actually want to make something of themselves) can achieve an education now.

Tbh, it all depends on how the indigenous community use the money, assuming 'they' get it.

The article just makes them seem very greedy imo

its very simple," Ms Smallwood told The Australian. "You can't just apologise, you've got to mean it and the only way to prove that is through compensation. You can't reconcile without it."

 

[jb_nc]

id rather they spend $1bn on hospital services for the bush rather than giving the boongas beer money

 

[hunter1]

When thinking of such topics, i remember one such converstation.

"I'm not racist, i just have Aboriginals" :lmao

 

[hiphophooray123]

i do as well, hey.

 

[bazookajoe]

"It's very simple," Ms Smallwood told The Australian. "You can't just apologise, you've got to mean it and the only way to prove that is through compensation. You can't reconcile without it."

heh

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Looks like the Aboriginal industry is gearing up to cash in on Australia's booming economy now that the Labor party are in charge and ready to waste money.

Give them 10 billion and say "do what you like with it but if you fail you can fuck off"

 

[Captain Gh3y]

"It's very simple," Ms Smallwood told The Australian. "You can't just apologise, you've got to mean it and the only way to prove that is through compensation. You can't reconcile without it."

heh

near perfect echo of the televangelists isn't it?

 

[jimmayyy]

"It's very simple," Ms Smallwood told The Australian. "You can't just apologise, you've got to mean it and the only way to prove that is through compensation. You can't reconcile without it."

and people wonder what the problem is

 

[Graney]

how is this reperation going to help?

I didn't say it was. I agree, waste of money, fixes nothing.

 

[Gavvvvvin]

They should just spend the $1 billion on building an APEC style fence around the NT and keep the cunts isolated there.

 

[^CoSMic DoRiS^^]

oh man, shit happens. get over it. it's been so long since all the stolen generation stuff happened that the perpetrators are likely to be dead by now. an apology at this stage is just symbolic bullshit; it's the national equivalent of saying you're sorry someone's distant relative who you have nfi about died. you're not sorry, it's just a platitude. and you both know it. i don't know how they expect anyone to really mean it. we weren't there. we can sympathise, but that's about it. 'yeah gosh those people who stole your kids were a bit shit hey, sorry bout that' - that's about all the sincerity they can expect, really. i can understand them wanting compensation, but money, no matter how much, is pointless in terms of making the apology 'count'. if i was them i'd be wanting some huge-ass memorial to the stolen generation put up in parliament house or something, if there isn't one already. or something. anything we do at this stage will be meaningless anyway.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Hey angry guys.

How much would you ask for if you were a native Australian?
How much would you ask for if your people were killed, raped, and then stolen?

How much would you ask for if your country said only a few decades ago "people with your skin colour are not good enough for this country"? and your people are the indigenous petrol sniffers of this country?


The government should give them ample access to petrol, meth, alcohol and any porn of their pleasing. They don't want christian morals brought by the Europeans. They don't want "magna carta", let them have their bush law.

We can't impose our ways on them, "when in rome do as the romans do". We should all do as the abos do, I dunno about you faggots but I've got my petrol handy and I'm already on the dole.

last i heard they were all gonna convert to islam like their spiritual leader anthony mundine

 

[wuddie]

gay, the next time i hear the natives asking for more money because of that feeble excuse of 'stolen generation', i am going to redfern and kill one of them.

 

[tysonp]

Hey, i thought i would be weigh in as someone who is part Aboriginal themselves, or as per this thread a ,'fucking abo' 'koon' 'delinquent' 'boonga' 'petrol sniffer' 'rapist' and all the others I am too tired at this point to recite. I found myself particularly saddened by the overt right wing agendas displayed on this thread and would like to attempt at least to shed some light on my view of this entire episode as one of the 'others'. There is, while unseen a large number of Aboriginal people with Sydney (the breadth of my knowledge as a recent HSC student who has been locked inside) that provide ostensible contrast to the seemingly common thoughts of white-australians concerning Aboriginal people as intellectually-incapacitated sub-humans, people such as Noel Pearson, Ayden Ridgeway and Mickey Mundine (to name the first that come to my weary head) have been long doing behind the scenes work to erase the inherent problems with the 'slums' of redfern and waterloo - dealing with these situations of alcoholism and abuse through means that are not just compensatory but indeed are perpetuated through re-habilitation and education, the very things you good members of this forum seem to imagine as impossible for a people as dumb as us. Now im not trying to attempt to convince you based on the grounds of three people to any significant point but the fact that your darwinian stance concerning Aboriginies and the ability for them to break even with white-australia in terms of living standard is indeed incorrect as simply it is just that the means applied by both so-called Aboriginal leaders , who DO want money which will be spent on meaningless quick fixes, and the Howard-led intervention were both fundamentally incorrect as they both will not have far reaching implications - what I'm saying although not in as much of an erudite fashion as i'd like is that yes you are correct MONEY IS NOT THE TOTAL ANSWER but neither is the 'they are worthless' point of veiw - there exists a cycle of poverty up there in those communities that spans the generations since those who were stolen and while that does not effect me today - it does kick in when 1 child is born into alcoholism because his father is an alcoholic because his father was - we need money spent on practical solutions to these problems and the compulsion of higher aspirations for Aboriginal people than just of that to say give up drinking/stop sniffing petrol.

I mean yeah you guys can keep dishing out the insults here it wont effect me - ive heard it all before and i guess the fact that i have achieved good enough HSC marks to get myself into university provides me with equal content that i indeed reached a level that is considered so far-flung for such a naive native as myself

good night.

 

[sXcGuRl69aU]

Hey, i thought i would be weigh in as someone who is part Aboriginal themselves, or as per this thread a ,'fucking abo' 'koon' 'delinquent' 'boonga' 'petrol sniffer' 'rapist' and all the others I am too tired at this point to recite. I found myself particularly saddened by the overt right wing agendas displayed on this thread and would like to attempt at least to shed some light on my view of this entire episode as one of the 'others'. There is, while unseen a large number of Aboriginal people with Sydney (the breadth of my knowledge as a recent HSC student who has been locked inside) that provide ostensible contrast to the seemingly common thoughts of white-australians concerning Aboriginal people as intellectually-incapacitated sub-humans, people such as Noel Pearson, Ayden Ridgeway and Mickey Mundine (to name the first that come to my weary head) have been long doing behind the scenes work to erase the inherent problems with the 'slums' of redfern and waterloo - dealing with these situations of alcoholism and abuse through means that are not just compensatory but indeed are perpetuated through re-habilitation and education, the very things you good members of this forum seem to imagine as impossible for a people as dumb as us. Now im not trying to attempt to convince you based on the grounds of three people to any significant point but the fact that your darwinian stance concerning Aboriginies and the ability for them to break even with white-australia in terms of living standard is indeed incorrect as simply it is just that the means applied by both so-called Aboriginal leaders , who DO want money which will be spent on meaningless quick fixes, and the Howard-led intervention were both fundamentally incorrect as they both will not have far reaching implications - what I'm saying although not in as much of an erudite fashion as i'd like is that yes you are correct MONEY IS NOT THE TOTAL ANSWER but neither as the 'they are worthless' point of veiw - there exists a cycle of poverty up there in those communities that spans the generations since those who were stolen and while that does not effect me today - it does kick in when I child is born into alcoholism because his father is an alcoholic because his father was - we need money spent on practical solutions to these problems and the compulsion of higher aspirations for Aboriginal people than just of that to say give up drinking/stop sniffing petrol.

I mean yeah you guys can keep dishing out the insults here it wont effect me - ive heard it all before and i guess the fact that i have achieved good enough HSC marks to get myself into university provides me with equal content that i indeed reached a level that is considered so far-flung for such a naive native as myself

good night.

tl;dr.



coon.