2007 State Election - Labor or the Coalition/Iemma or Debnam? (2 Viewers)

[bshoc]

You're wrong, bshoc. Andrew Tink resigned as Shadow Attorney General and publicly stated that he would not recontest the seat of Epping some time ago.

Greg Smith, the former Deputy Director of Public Prosecutions and former President of the Right to Life Association in New South Wales, is now the Liberal candidate for Epping.

My bad, you're right, I'm wrong.

About the candidate anyway, I'm sure Smith could hold Tink's margin or increase it, Epping is one of those seats where being the former chair of the Right to Life Association is a plus.

 

[Stott Despoja]

My bad, you're right, I'm wrong.

About the candidate anyway, I'm sure Smith could hold Tink's margin or increase it, Epping is one of those seats where being the former chair of the Right to Life Association is a plus.

I wouldn't call it a plus, but I hardly think that's something that will drag down the Liberal vote in Epping. He's a strong candidate, and though his politics may not be to my liking, he's the type of person that the Liberal party at the state level needs. I just hope that Pru Goward manages to take the new seat of Goulburn, because not only does the Liberal party need to resurrect the idea that it's a broad church, but the party also needs all the help that it can get to hold an increasing lethargic state ALP to account.

 

[bshoc]

DONT TRY TO REASON WITH ME! ITS UNPOSSIBLE!

Anyway, you offer a very glib, and unreasonable way to explain why the Sydney electorate is ALP.

Lets see:

*Redfern
*The gay community and Oxford St
*The inner city of most major cities are more left than their sorroundings

I very much doubt that Redfern is the sole explanation for it. Perhaps it's just that the people who live in this affluent south suburbs have a conscience?

What affluent South suburbs? Redfern, Newtown, Alexandria? No way. Many parts of the electorate are "affluent" .. but these are generally not resedential suburbs.

Ok thats not entirely right, there are more affluent suburbs like Pyrmont, Millers Point and Zetalnd, lets see how they voted.

http://results.aec.gov.au/12246/results/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-12246-2762.htm
http://results.aec.gov.au/12246/results/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-12246-2756.htm
http://results.aec.gov.au/12246/results/HousePollingPlaceFirstPrefs-12246-1472.htm

Compared to the rest of the electorate however, it wasn't enough of an offset
http://results.aec.gov.au/12246/results/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-12246-149.htm

Oh, and I live in Macarthur which is neither educated, nor wealthy yet is still a safe liberal seat. you lose.

The rule loses its meaning once you move out of Sydney proper, you also seem to lose alot of the middle-class wannabe intellectual socialists who seem to infest Western Sydney for whatever reason ..

 

[bshoc]

I wouldn't call it a plus, but I hardly think that's something that will drag down the Liberal vote in Epping. He's a strong candidate, and though his politics may not be to my liking, he's the type of person that the Liberal party at the state level needs. I just hope that Pru Goward manages to take the new seat of Goulburn, because not only does the Liberal party need to resurrect the idea that it's a broad church,

What kind of church do you think it is right now?

I agree that the Liberal Party should try make its politics attractive to a wide base, but it should never lose focus of the fact that it is a conservative party, if it wasn't it would lose a good deal of its base, especially on economic terms, but also social ones.

I always thought that the principle of a small government would appeal to Democrats, yes a great deal of us do wish to do away with things like abortion - or at least make things like these harder to obtain, these things are based on the ideology of indavidualism, namely that the indavidual right to life trumps the choice of 9 months of discomfort, yet so many Democrat votes end up in the Labor or Greens litterbox.

If somebody truly wishes to hold government accountable, the best to achieve this regardless of the party in power is to decrease the size of government - as Reagan so truthfully used to put it, government isn't the solution to our problems, government is the problem.

With a party that advocates a smaller government, there is a sense of genuine motivation, because they are willing to cut themselves (the size of the government they can fill) to better their electors.

but the party also needs all the help that it can get to hold an increasing lethargic state ALP to account.

I doubt that anybody is going to be able to do that except the people that elect them in the first place, and as evident from the responses in this forum and the likely outcome of the next election, they're not interested.

 

[Optophobia]

My bad, its only 50% and 71%



This is from a slighly older article though, I couln't find the one I read yesterday.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,20834871-29277,00.html?from=public_rss

But yeah, eat your own words you failed, corrupt, inept government supporting pinko

Those statistics are a load of crap. it's impossible for crime to rise so much unless we are in a time of civil disturbance.
Your newspaper journalist has got it wrong.

No thats definetely reality, 3 people have highlighted about 40-50 serious mistakes this government has made in the space of 24 hours, none of which you have even come close to refuting.

Because it's a load of crap.

(why? because its fact)

That you're a dick head? yeh i know.

A police system administrated by an inept Labor government, which is afraid to adress things like middle eastern crime in fear of losing votes in Labors Western Sydney cesspool.

Troll.

I haven't seen a minute of TT or ACA since we got cable, about 4 years ago.

Troll.

Current affairs shows are bullshit.

There isn't much difference between what they say, and what you say. So therefore, you are bullshit.

50% and 71% crime rate rises are not ..

No crime rate could rise so much. The journalist got it wrong.. The crime rate rose from 3 to 4.. or the statistics are wrong. It cannot be correct.

I'm not really hoping though, I doubt anything I can say can make you any less of a retard.

The feeling is mutual. Troll.

OPTOPHOBIA IS A COMMUNIST!

Yessssss.. i'm a communist.

"I'm in ur governmentz, centralizing ur propertiez & servisez."

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Don't bother with mathmite; facts aren't important to him as much as how he feels about things and whether they conform to how he imagines the world to be. If you don't, you're either racist or brainwashed by the media or more likely both.

 

[bshoc]

Those statistics are a load of crap. it's impossible for crime to rise so much unless we are in a time of civil disturbance.
Your newspaper journalist has got it wrong.

Oh he's definitely not wrong, these figures have been repeated many times in other publications like the SMH. Its just a reflection of the performance of NSW state police under Failabor.

If you disagree with those figures, take it up with "Dr Weatherburn, director of NSW's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research" .. until then they're fact.

Because it's a load of crap.

That you're a dick head? yeh i know.

Troll.

Troll.

There isn't much difference between what they say, and what you say. So therefore, you are bullshit.

Convincing arguments there, well above your usual level, about as good as State Labor actually, but at least they and iemma dilemma can admin that they're crap and got nothing lol

No crime rate could rise so much. The journalist got it wrong.. The crime rate rose from 3 to 4.. or the statistics are wrong. It cannot be correct.

It is, live with it.

Yessssss.. i'm a communist.

"I'm in ur governmentz, centralizing ur propertiez & servisez."

I disagree, you just don't have those Stalinesque good looks and lets shove 20 million in gulag work ethic.

Labor stopped being the workers party long ago, and started being the party of the whiny union thugs and dolebludgers. The Liberal Party are the true workers party.

 

[Optophobia]

Don't bother with mathmite; facts aren't important to him as much as how he feels about things and whether they conform to how he imagines the world to be. If you don't, you're either racist or brainwashed by the media or more likely both.

Yessssss.. That's exactly right.

"I'm sitting behind my computerz, imagining that theze peoplez r racist or brainwashed by the media."

 

[Optophobia]

Oh he's definitely not wrong, these figures have been repeated many times in other publications like the SMH. Its just a reflection of the performance of NSW state police under Failabor.

Troll.

If you disagree with those figures, take it up with "Dr Weatherburn, director of NSW's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research" .. until then they're fact.

Troll.

Convincing arguments there, well above your usual level, about as good as State Labor actually, but at least they and iemma dilemma can admin that they're crap and got nothing lol

Troll.

It is, live with it.

Troll.

I disagree, you just don't have those Stalinesque good looks and lets shove 20 million in gulag work ethic.

Troll.

Labor stopped being the workers party long ago, and started being the party of the whiny union thugs and dolebludgers. The Liberal Party are the true workers party.

Troll.

 

[bshoc]

Whats the matter opto honey? Did all the factual information snap your fragile one track brain?

 

[Optophobia]

Whats the matter opto honey? Did all the factual information snap your fragile one track brain?

No the brain of one track snaped my fragile opto honey into matter.

 

[kokodamonkey]

once again you get brought back to reality by a factual conservative just like me and how do you react just like u reacted to me? by calling them a troll. sigh. I know your in denial but atleast your starting to see the light

 

[Optophobia]

You're not a troll, you're just deluded. When you get someone who is as pathetic as bshoc, its obvious that they are a troll trying to frustrate you.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Lets see:

*Redfern
*The gay community and Oxford St
*The inner city of most major cities are more left than their sorroundings

Once more, glib and silly. The reason for the Sydney electorate being an ALP electorate isn't because the people of Redfern are off setting the "sane and reasoned" votes of Liberal hardheads, it's because the people who live in the electorate, those educated people between Wentworth, KFS and the one to the west (the name skips my mind) are pretty much all Greeny, left-wing Labor voters. They haven't moved to the North Shore, to live amongst a collection of hardhead, pompous jackasses. If only more people were like those in the Sydney electorate. Oh wait...according to recent polls, NSW prefers Labor and Australia...also prefers Labor.

*dances*

What affluent South suburbs? Redfern, Newtown, Alexandria? No way. Many parts of the electorate are "affluent" .. but these are generally not resedential suburbs.

Ok thats not entirely right, there are more affluent suburbs like Pyrmont, Millers Point and Zetalnd, lets see how they voted.

Hmmm, this is my fault again for confusing state boundaries with federal boundaries. evidently, the affluent suburbs of Sydney that I was referring to are in seats close but not within the Sydney electorate. Still, according to this map Redfern/Waterloo aren't even within the Sydney electorate, whereas fairly well-off suburbs such as Paddington, Surry Hills, Potts Point, Pyrmont etc seem to be within it. Of course, all of this really means jackshit, unless you subscribe to the belief that wealth is an ultimate display of intelligence...which no sane person would dare to lay claim to.

*waits for bshoc to do just that*

The stats you provide don't really prove anything either. When you consider the Green vote in addition to the ALP vote in each of those examples you see a pretty clear cut view of the voting intentions of the seat you listed. So you know, you lose.

The rule loses its meaning once you move out of Sydney proper, you also seem to lose alot of the middle-class wannabe intellectual socialists who seem to infest Western Sydney for whatever reason ..

What? As opposed to wanting to move into the North Shore amongst other elitists? Eh, I'd rather take Western Sydney myself. Of course, nothing against most people within South Sydney. Their stereotype isn't as harsh as those north of the bridge.

But still, an awesome display of weasling out of self concocted rules. You go girl.

 

[Optophobia]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/070318/21/12smc.html

Iemma, Debnam talk tough on crime

The major parties are now pushing their law and order credentials in their bid to win the New South Wales election this weekend.


Opposition Leader Peter Debnam is pledging 1,700 new police officers.


He says he would lower the age of criminal responsibility to 10 for children who commit minor crimes and 17-year-old's would be tried as adults.


Mr Debnam also proposes mandatory life sentences for people convicted of murdering police and tougher penalties for P-plate drivers.

Meanwhile, Premier Morris Iemma says he will recruit another 750 police.

He says he will introduce minimum terms for some new offences, including 25 years in jail for the murder of a child.

There will be more equipment to fight terrorism and text message alerts sent about terrorism threats.

He plans to also introduce laws to take DNA samples from suspects in all crimes and create a domestic violence offence that could allow those convicted to be publicly named.

The Greens say crime can be cut in other ways, including early intervention, education and drug law reform.

The Greens would decriminalise personal drug use and treat it as a health and social issue.

You can have as many police as you like. If you don't attack the social cause of crime then having more police wont do anything.

 

[Sparcod]

Ahh..The Greens..... the Minor party in the Legislative Council with the most members.

If you want more info. on minor parties, click here!

Save Our Suburbs seems o.k

 

[withoutaface]

Shooters ftw.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

His last public appearance is scheduled in my electorate. I should head on over there and create a fooforah, thatt'll learn em

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[HotShot]

So let me get this straight both Labor and Coalition are not going to build a recycling/desal plant until the water levels drops below a certain level? (this probably never happen).

What the parties policies on the public transport - apart from building new shit are they fix the old crap?

What I dont understand with all this climate change, global warming, traffic population hype - why isnt either party doing anything to address it?

Its very simple:
- Improve our public transport and make it one of the best in the world.
Doing that will see a improvement in:

- traffic - reduce crashes
-population - in turn global warming and all BS
- increase productivity and efficiency
- less stress and thus improve our health.

Negatives:
- Less people driving hence less revenue from fines

 

[Optophobia]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200703/1875969.htm?elections/nsw/2007/

Speedo-clad 'Chaser' targets Debnam

Craig Ruecassel from The Chaser tried to get the attention of the Opposition Leader.ABC TV

The New South Wales Opposition Leader's campaigning has been disrupted by the ABC's satirical TV show, The Chaser's War on Everything.

Peter Debnam unveiled his campaign bus yesterday and invited the media on board today while he took to the hustings.

Mr Debnam was a hit at the Leisure Lea retirement village at Epping in Sydney's north-west, where he joined in a game of bowls without much luck.

His campaigning was interrupted by one of the comedians from The Chaser, who was dressed only in Speedos.

Edit: Ohhhhhhh i get it

RE: Breaking's Signature.