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Riviet said:
I used the identity:

2sinAsinB=Sin(A+B) + Sin(A-B), does it work for A=B?
Sure, but how do you go from the 2nd to 3rd lines.
 
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mountain.dew said:
heres another method:
Mm that's the method I had in mind, except you made a small mistake in the integration by parts.
 

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Mountain.Dew said:
2sinAsinB=Sin(A+B) + Sin(A-B) <-- that is true, but it only works with both sins, we have a sin and a cos product, so i suppose u can use the other identity.
The three trig formula for Products to Sums or Differences are:

2sinAsinB=cos(A-B)-cos(A+B)
2cosAcosB=cos(A-B)+cos(A+B)
2sinAcosB=sin(A+B)+sin(A-B)

It was probably just your lost memory from that partying after hsc. :p
 

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Argh, I forgot how to integrate sin[f(x)]

I'll try it again tomorrow.
 
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Riviet said:
Next Question:

Find ∫sin5 x dx
∫sin5x dx
= ∫(1-cos2x)2 sin(x) dx
= ∫(1-2cos2x+cos4x) d(-cos(x))
= ∫2cos2x - 1 - cos4x d(cos(x))
= 2/3 cos3x - cos(x) - cos5x/5 + C
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Next Question:
Find ∫dx/(1+sin2x)
 

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icycloud said:
Alright, here goes:

∫Cos√x * Sin√x dx

Nothing too hard.
1/2 ∫ sin 2x^1/2 dx u = 2x^1/2
-1/2 ∫u sinu du
-1/2 {u * -cosu - ∫-cosu du}
ucosu/2 - 1/2 sinu + C
x^1/2 cos 2x^1/2 - 1/2 sin 2x^1/2 + C

I made an error somewhere in there, too late to go through my working though.
 

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Actually, that won't work since you'd also get a cosx once you differentiate that, by the chain rule.
 

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icycloud said:
Next Question:
Find ∫dx/(1+sin2x)
Kinda dodgy method (I honestly can't see a way with any simple substitutions, so I had to do some manipulative algebra to get some trig terms I wanted to see):

K = 1/(1+sin2x)
=1/(cos2x+2sin2x)
=sec2x/(1 + 2tan2x)

So that's the dodgy step. It's all downhill from there with a u = Sqrt[2]tan[x] substitution, or you can do it directly by parts:

K = (d/dx(tan[x]))/(1 + 2tan2[x])
= (1/Sqrt[2])(d/dx(Sqrt[2]tan[x]))/(1 + (Sqrt[2]tan[x])2)

Thus:
I = ∫Kdx = (1/Sqrt[2])∫(d/dx(Sqrt[2]tan[x]))/(1 + (Sqrt[2]tan[x])2)dx

Now we've got something of the form, f'(x)/(1 + [f(x)]2)
Which integrates to give tan-1[f(x)]

Thus:
I = (1/Sqrt[2]) * tan-1[Sqrt[2]tan[x]] + C
= tan-1[Sqrt[2]tan[x]]/Sqrt[2] + C
A tad dodgy, but yeah, whatever.

Note that the original manipulation was quite lucky, I wouldn't have seen the substitution otherwise.
 
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KeypadSDM said:
Kinda dodgy method (I honestly can't see a way with any simple substitutions, so I had to do some manipulative algebra to get some trig terms I wanted to see):
Nice method. Here is another way for those interested:

1/(1+Sin[x]^2) = 1/(1 + (1/2 - Cos[2x]/2))
= 2/(3 - Cos[2x])

Then, use t = Tan[x], dt = t^2 + 1 dx
And proceed as with any t-substitution question, you should end up with the arctan integral dt/(2t^2+1), and come up with the same answer as Keypad's.
 

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Here is a nice integration question: (sorry for the crap presentation, dunno how to input definite integrals into here)

Find ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]dx]

Hint: Prove that ∫from -pi/4 to 0 [[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]dx]=∫from 0 to pi/4 [[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^x]dx] and use this fact to evaluate the definite integral
 
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Yip said:
Find ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]dx]
Didn't use the spoiler, but here's my method:

set x = -y, and you'll find that:

I = ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]dx]
=∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[[sin^2(y)]/[1+e^(y)]dx]

Thus, just looking at what's being integrated shows integrating the following two expressions is equivalent:

A(x) = sin2[x]/(1 + e-x)
B(x) = sin2[x]/(1 + ex)
= e-xsin2[x]/(e-x + 1)

That last one is by multiplying top and bottom by: e-x

And so:

e-xA(x) = B(x)

Therefore we have:
2I = ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[A(x) + B(x)]dx
= ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[(1 + e-x)A(x)]dx
= ∫from -pi/4 to pi/4[sin2[x]]dx
= 2∫from 0 to pi/4[sin2[x]]dx

[the last line occurs as the function being integrated is even]

So we have:

I = ∫from 0 to pi/4[sin2[x]]dx
=0.5∫from 0 to pi/4[1 - cos[2x]]dx
=0.5[x - sin[2x]/2]from 0 to pi/4
=0.5(pi/4 - sin[pi/2]/2 - 0 + 0/2)
=0.5(- 1/2 + pi/4)
=pi/8 - 1/4

I reckon that's right, I haven't checked though. [Using one of the approximations]
And no, I can't be bothered thinking up another question. I'm no good at that.
 

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Thats correct keypad ^^
It would be more efficient do it like this imo:
Prove that ∫from -pi/4 to 0 [[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]dx]=∫from 0 to pi/4 [[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^x]dx] using the substitution x=-t
Then u split the integral into [-pi/4,0] and [0,pi/4], and u will get

I=∫from 0 to pi/4 [[[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^(-x)]]+[[sin^2(x)]/[1+e^x]]dx
=∫from 0 to pi/4[[(1+e^x)/(1+e^x)]sin^2(x)]dx
=pi/8-1/4
 
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Went up some messy direction but reading the hint made it a bit too easy.
 
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Hey, just saw the question. Didn't look at the spoilers, here's my method:
Let I = ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 / (1+E^x) dx
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 E^x / (1+E^x) dx
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) F(x) dx

Now, J = ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) F(-x) dx
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 / (1+E^x) dx

Now, let u = -x, du=-dx, we have:
J = ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) F(u) du
= I
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 E^x / (1+E^x) dx
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 / (1+E^x) dx

Thus, I + J = 2I = ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 E^x / (1+E^x) dx + ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 / (1+E^x) dx
= ∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 dx

Thus, I = 1/2∫(-pi/4 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 dx
= ∫(0 --> pi/4) Sin[x]^2 dx (symmetry)
= 1/2[x - 1/2Sin[2x]] (0 --> pi/4)
= pi/8 - 1/4
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Edit: OK I read the other two guys' posts. Seems like my method is pretty much the same as Keypad's. Yip's way is more efficient mmm...

Riviet said:
You love integration don't you Aaron?
Haha yeh, one of my favourite topics in 4U (maybe because it's so easy relative to the other topics hehe).
 
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