Another Cronulla, but in Melbourne (1 Viewer)

[Serius]

good on ya sasha, ur the man. Y don't u head down to melbourne and have a riot with ur other anti lebanese??

The funny thing is, you are the one that doesnt learn. If lebanese youths get into a fight, whats it ur business, let the law take care of it. Nah, u just wanna publicise how bad they are, u think thatll do anything? U know as well as i do, all this business does is increase tension between racial groups, only worsening the problem. Sasha ... your acting as the media, with the same goals as the media, u just wanna create a stir, well good for u. Go down to melbourne and start a riot.

And from now on whenever theres a fight anywhere in the world, post it on Boredofstudies.org

HAHAHAHA you are so funny, let the police deal with it? you crack me up. What just like they have been dealing with it so far?

so far, a few hundred cars smashed, hundreds of thousands of dollars damage in rampages, smashed windows, private property damage, a shitload of people beaten to within anm inch of their life, a woman stabed, plenty of men stabbed, numerious minor assults... how many arrests? 1?
we have video footage of heaps of these crimes and only 1 arrest?
yeah new motto
THE LAW TAKES CARE OF NOTHING< TAKE IT INTO YOUR OWN HANDS.

if i see some fucking wog rampage coming towards my house to smash my stuff, do you i am now going to sit back and say " dont worry kiddies, we wont bw paying for the damages and ending up in prison, the law will punish those criminals and make them pay for it"

hell fucking know, out comes the 44 and something comes out of that aimed at any fuck who wrecks my shit.

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

HAHAHAHA you are so funny, let the police deal with it? you crack me up. What just like they have been dealing with it so far?

so far, a few hundred cars smashed, hundreds of thousands of dollars damage in rampages, smashed windows, private property damage, a shitload of people beaten to within anm inch of their life, a woman stabed, plenty of men stabbed, numerious minor assults... how many arrests? 1?
we have video footage of heaps of these crimes and only 1 arrest?
yeah new motto
THE LAW TAKES CARE OF NOTHING< TAKE IT INTO YOUR OWN HANDS.

if i see some fucking wog rampage coming towards my house to smash my stuff, do you i am now going to sit back and say " dont worry kiddies, we wont bw paying for the damages and ending up in prison, the law will punish those criminals and make them pay for it"

hell fucking know, out comes the 44 and something comes out of that aimed at any fuck who wrecks my shit.

ud be stupid if u didnt. thats self defence.

ur also specifically talking about the cronulla riots. that was an almost uncontrolable situation.

 

[A1]

Economic problem!?! That's crap. A retard could get a job in today's labour market. The unemployment is at it's lowest for decades. Some employers are paying double or triple award wages to get staff. There are more jobs on offer than people to fill them.

Go to www.jobsearch.gov.au and note that there are literally 10's of thousands of jobs on offer on the one website alone - 22664 to be exact, in NSW alone. By far the majority of these jobs are low level, i.e the types of jobs that immigrants without skills or language should go for.

The problem with a mixed society is that in some cases there are too greater differences. Humans are like animals. Certain animals complement each other, other don't. A snake and a mouse is a cocktail for disaster. They're just too different. A sheep and a chicken can be together. Although they are different, they can live with each other.
This is the same in human society. Whites, almost regardless of nationality can generally co-exist with each other with minimum of fuss. Sure, there can be small teething problems, but by and large generally it's ok. As you move to more extremes, such as Arabs and Whites, then the differences become too much. There are too many differences, and even conflicts in too many areas. This includes history, religion, upbringing, morals, values and the like.
Yes, you can MAKE them be together, as is happening in Australia, but without supervision conflicts will arise. You can MAKE a mouse be with a snake, but if you don't want the snake to eat the mouse you have to be there constantly and always intervene. There is nothing wrong with a snake, or a mouse. Alone, they fulfil their purpose and live as they do. However, don't put them together unless you want problems.
Notice, that Arabs are in the faces of Aussies, and other nationalities. They provoke, and provoke to the point of police interference and escort. The only way to solve this is to change one race almost completely. This is something that is beyond what can be reasonably be expected to happen. The problems began when the characteristics of who can and can't be let into the country were set too lightly. Now we are seeing, and will continue to see the results of this.

 

[SashatheMan]

ud be stupid if u didnt. thats self defence.

ur also specifically talking about the cronulla riots. that was an almost uncontrolable situation.

he is talking about the stuff that happeneed in the days followed the riots. there were plenty of police and plenty of footage to go by, they could have arrested the people they wanted, but they didnt, rather concentrate primarily on the beach incident.

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

Economic problem!?! That's crap. A retard could get a job in today's labour market. The unemployment is at it's lowest for decades. Some employers are paying double or triple award wages to get staff. There are more jobs on offer than people to fill them.

Go to www.jobsearch.gov.au and note that there are literally 10's of thousands of jobs on offer on the one website alone - 22664 to be exact, in NSW alone. By far the majority of these jobs are low level, i.e the types of jobs that immigrants without skills or language should go for.

The problem with a mixed society is that in some cases there are too greater differences. Humans are like animals. Certain animals complement each other, other don't. A snake and a mouse is a cocktail for disaster. They're just too different. A sheep and a chicken can be together. Although they are different, they can live with each other.
This is the same in human society. Whites, almost regardless of nationality can generally co-exist with each other with minimum of fuss. Sure, there can be small teething problems, but by and large generally it's ok. As you move to more extremes, such as Arabs and Whites, then the differences become too much. There are too many differences, and even conflicts in too many areas. This includes history, religion, upbringing, morals, values and the like.
Yes, you can MAKE them be together, as is happening in Australia, but without supervision conflicts will arise. You can MAKE a mouse be with a snake, but if you don't want the snake to eat the mouse you have to be there constantly and always intervene. There is nothing wrong with a snake, or a mouse. Alone, they fulfil their purpose and live as they do. However, don't put them together unless you want problems.
Notice, that Arabs are in the faces of Aussies, and other nationalities. They provoke, and provoke to the point of police interference and escort. The only way to solve this is to change one race almost completely. This is something that is beyond what can be reasonably be expected to happen. The problems began when the characteristics of who can and can't be let into the country were set too lightly. Now we are seeing, and will continue to see the results of this.

Firstly i didnt mean a financial issues causing this. I meant unemployed. U people are the ones linking money with unemployment

Wat u say is untrue, Lebanese are living with whites in usa AND australia, havnt u heard of the successful lebanese people around the world. Lebanese people are phoenicians not arabs btw. Ralph Nadar a presidential canditate's parents are lebanese. Governor of NSW, premier of Victoria, and everyone knows friendly hardworking lebanese people. Therefore ur comments about lebanese not being able to live with whites is offensive and untrue.

U dont understand the problem. Ill say it again, In these cases, Their parents have not been raising them the Australian way. They raise them as if there in the old country and its hard for the youth to intergrate if the parents dont intergrate.

 

[spank_meh]

Having riots against them and being racist is only seperating them further from the australian community, and cause them to continue the trend of their parents, there gonna raise their children the way their parents raised them.

umm i think most of them start the racist thing first.. and they are not only being racist to ozzies. i think those ppl who went to skools with the majority of ppl from different countries would get me..

all the riots and shit.. i think its something that was sposed to happen.. all the things building up between the cultures nd umm nationalities.. but it's just gone too far
will it stop before its too late>>

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

umm i think most of them start the racist thing first.. and they are not only being racist to ozzies. i think those ppl who went to skools with the majority of ppl from different countries would get me..

all the riots and shit.. i think its something that was sposed to happen.. all the things building up between the cultures nd umm nationalities.. but it's just gone too far
will it stop before its too late>>

any culture can intergrate into the society. Most people do, especially lebanese people. Theres no building up between cultures, all there was was building up of racist feelings towards the entire ethnic community because of some stupid ethnic trouble makers. Why should that happen.

 

[iambored]

Whites, almost regardless of nationality can generally co-exist with each other with minimum of fuss. Sure, there can be small teething problems, but by and large generally it's ok. As you move to more extremes, such as Arabs and Whites, then the differences become too much. There are too many differences, and even conflicts in too many areas. This includes history, religion, upbringing, morals, values and the like.

I don't think you can draw a line to separate what you call arabs and whites. Most of the 'middle eastern' groups also contain europeans. Would you call europeans arabs or whites? Or would you call them arabs when they were friends with the middle easterns and whites when they were friends with the blonde aussies? the european upbringing is probably more close to the arab than the blonde aussie, so how can they coexist?

 

[spank_meh]

any culture can intergrate into the society. Most people do, especially lebanese people. Theres no building up between cultures, all there was was building up of racist feelings towards the entire ethnic community because of some stupid ethnic trouble makers. Why should that happen.

to be honest i dunno

I don't think you can draw a line to separate what you call arabs and whites. Most of the 'middle eastern' groups also contain europeans. Would you call europeans arabs or whites? Or would you call them arabs when they were friends with the middle easterns and whites when they were friends with the blonde aussies? the european upbringing is probably more close to the arab than the blonde aussie, so how can they coexist?

okay this sounds bit familiar lol i dno were i read the post but it was similar to this one..
there are different kinds of europeans hmm i dun remember seeing arabs in europe as if country arent they situated in asia or watever..

 

[StGeorgeDragons]

there are different kinds of europeans hmm i dun remember seeing arabs in europe as if country arent they situated in asia or watever..

well lebanon is on the mederteranian. they are phoenicians not arabs.

 

[A1]

Firstly i didnt mean a financial issues causing this. I meant unemployed. U people are the ones linking money with unemployment.

I was talking about unemployment. Not once did I mention money.

Wat u say is untrue, Lebanese are living with whites in usa AND australia, havnt u heard of the successful lebanese people around the world. Lebanese people are phoenicians not arabs btw. Ralph Nadar a presidential canditate's parents are lebanese. Governor of NSW, premier of Victoria, and everyone knows friendly hardworking lebanese people. Therefore ur comments about lebanese not being able to live with whites is offensive and untrue.

It's not relevant whether they are classified as Phoenicians or Arabs. This is not the cause of the problems. However, thank you for clarifying this as I did not know.

Of course I have heard of successful Lebanese. I never said that ALL Arabs were useless. I was generalising. We have to generalise unless we know every single individual, in which case we can be specific. In order for a debate to be rational generalisations have to be made, and the supported with specific examples.

If my comments are so untrue, as you claim, then they cannot possibly be offensive. I cannot be offended if you call me a nigger. I am White. However, if my comments are considered to be offensive, then perhaps I have touched on a sensitive, and God forbid, true point.

The successful Lebanese that you are talking about are not exactly teens. Clearly, even the trouble makers that have been the focus of this and other threads probably won't be rioting when they are in their 40's or 50's. The concern is that they seem to have a propensity to riot and create problems in their teens. This is a concern, and GENERALLY is not seen in other cultures.

U dont understand the problem. Ill say it again, In these cases, Their parents have not been raising them the Australian way. They raise them as if there in the old country and its hard for the youth to intergrate if the parents dont intergrate.

Not raising them in the Australian way itself is not an issue. MOST other immigrants don't either, they can't, since they obviously don't know what the Australian way is until after many years of being here. The way that they are raising them is waaaaayy different to the "Australian" way. Sasha, from what I have gathered is Russian. Correct me if I am wrong, but probably he wasn't raised the "Australian" way either, yet he seems to co exist normally within Australian society.

I don't think you can draw a line to separate what you call arabs and whites. Most of the 'middle eastern' groups also contain europeans. Would you call europeans arabs or whites? Or would you call them arabs when they were friends with the middle easterns and whites when they were friends with the blonde aussies? the european upbringing is probably more close to the arab than the blonde aussie, so how can they coexist?

Whites are people who are white. Middles Easterns are generally caramel in colour, not white. Caramel is not white. Therefore, so long as Europeans (and I don't mean new immigrants) are white, as most are, then I certainly wouldn't call them Middle Easterners. Furthermore, Europe is not in the Middle East.
One's friends don't make ones nationality. That's a dumb thing to say.

The blond Aussie was historically a White European. They are from England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany etc. These places are no where near the Middle East, so how can the Middle Eastern upbringing be closer to the upringing of the blond Aussie than that of Europe, the place where the White Aussie actually originated from???

 

[M.I.A-187]

Some pplz are still ashamed cause those lebs in Australia are Australian citizens as well o_0!!!.

Bout the Beach thing i think its retarded but Leb gangs are worst.

 

[Comrade nathan]

The problem with a mixed society is that in some cases there are too greater differences. Humans are like animals. Certain animals complement each other, other don't. A snake and a mouse is a cocktail for disaster. They're just too different. A sheep and a chicken can be together. Although they are different, they can live with each other.
This is the same in human society. Whites, almost regardless of nationality can generally co-exist with each other with minimum of fuss. Sure, there can be small teething problems, but by and large generally it's ok. As you move to more extremes, such as Arabs and Whites, then the differences become too much. There are too many differences, and even conflicts in too many areas. This includes history, religion, upbringing, morals, values and the like.
Yes, you can MAKE them be together, as is happening in Australia, but without supervision conflicts will arise. You can MAKE a mouse be with a snake, but if you don't want the snake to eat the mouse you have to be there constantly and always intervene. There is nothing wrong with a snake, or a mouse. Alone, they fulfil their purpose and live as they do. However, don't put them together unless you want problems.

That's retard. You logic is incorrect because you can't compare social being such as humans with other species like snakes, mice, lambs and chickens.

I think when you mention the animals it would be easier to say you can't have herbivorous and carnivorous living together, and in some cases carnivorous and carnivours living together.

Fortunalty we are humans, and have a long history of farming and hunting food so there is no fear that we are going to be eating each other without restraint. Our clashes of today at this level are social and cultural and at a internation level economical. It has to be a dire situation for people to start eating people like a snake in a enclosed area with a mouse.

It is a really poor comparison and doesn't give much credibility to your fascist argument.

The concern is that they seem to have a propensity to riot and create problems in their teens.

Well the term "riot" was first used in this drama to describe the action of Anglo youth gathering in Cronulla, and their attacks on people of middle eastern appearance, ambulance crews, police officers and the local media. I doubt you could find many minority riots in Australian history.

Although i wouldn't really call the Cronulla incident a riot, nor would i call the indicident this article is talking about a riot.

Not raising them in the Australian way itself is not an issue. MOST other immigrants don't either, they can't, since they obviously don't know what the Australian way is until after many years of being here. The way that they are raising them is waaaaayy different to the "Australian" way. Sasha, from what I have gathered is Russian. Correct me if I am wrong, but probably he wasn't raised the "Australian" way either, yet he seems to co exist normally within Australian society.

What is the Australian way? A fair go? A bbq steak?

Culture is not pretty government slogans. The typical male Anglo youth culture is actually alot simialiar to the youth culture of the young Arab males. It is a dominant Australian male youth culture to idolize money, cars, sports drugs (including alcohol) and objectify women. This is a culture promoted on tv, through magazines etc. The young Lebanese just like the Young Anglo is going to adobt this culture. The Chauvinism is pretty equally shared amongst young males in Australia, so when the media and others criticise the Lebanese as acting un Australian they are being racist as they are not attacking chauvinism or even trying to understand the dominat young male culture.

Im sure if you went to Lebanon you find the chauvinism there to be different to Australian chauvinism.

The blond Aussie was historically a White European. They are from England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany etc. These places are no where near the Middle East, so how can the Middle Eastern upbringing be closer to the upringing of the blond Aussie than that of Europe, the place where the White Aussie actually originated from???

"The blonde Aussie". I just find this paragraph to lame to say much about it.

 

[A1]

If I had a biology background I would have stated it as succinctly as you, but I don't so my example was more simple.

Either way, you're missing the point. My argument was not about people eating people or farming or animals eating us. It was about differences. That being different doesn't need to create problems, but if the differences are great enough, then problems will occur, and are occuring as we are seeing more and more unfortunately.

 

[Generator]

If I had a biology background I would have stated it as succinctly as you, but I don't so my example was more simple.

Either way, you're missing the point. My argument was not about people eating people or farming or animals eating us. It was about differences. That being different doesn't need to create problems, but if the differences are great enough, then problems will occur, and are occuring as we are seeing more and more unfortunately.

The differences that you speak of are social constructions, not naturally occurring dividers. Yes, men are different to women and we don't all have the same skin colour, but the social issues regarding these differences have all been constructed.

 

[Comrade nathan]

If I had a biology background I would have stated it as succinctly as you, but I don't so my example was more simple.

Either way, you're missing the point. My argument was not about people eating people or farming or animals eating us. It was about differences. That being different doesn't need to create problems, but if the differences are great enough, then problems will occur, and are occuring as we are seeing more and more unfortunately.

I have edited my post since you last typed.

But anyway the differences aren't great enough, back to your original example the differences were huge. They were two different evolution strands, one that has to eat meat to survive and has the stomach to do so, the other that can not eat meat.

You can't compare that to a human situation, your just being lazy and simple.

 

[A1]

The differences that you speak of are social constructions, not naturally occurring dividers. Yes, men are different to women and we don't all have the same skin colour, but the social issues regarding these differences have all been constructed.

Good mate, good point. I won't try to explain what the causes of the differences are, and reading your post, you have probably hit the nail on the head. Regardless, the differences are there, and we need to take that into account when dealing with immigration policies.

Nathan, you are focussing on biological differences. It's good that Generator has come in when he has, as his point identifies the issue that we are dealing with as constructed differences. Again, I don't think that whatever the causes, reasons or explainations for the differences are is important. This is history. We need to look at the situation we are faced with now. It's not a good one. I'm stating that we need to learn from this and be more careful who we let into the country. I'm not sure about you, but the people who I let into my home are screened, one way or another, by myself. I then let the ones in who I think will be a "good fit", if you know what I mean. If we can decide who we let into our homes, then why can't we decide on who we let into the country?

It's difficult for me to accurately describe the "Australian way". It's one of those things that you notice, especially when travelling the world. In Australia we have a particular way. I have noticed a few things that I am actually proud of. For one, I note that GENERALLY, Australians are not aggressive. If there are scuffles, protests, fights or "riots", there are certain boundaries that Australians don't cross. This was evident in Cronulla. Australians tend not to smash things, or cause havoc. The use of weaponry is something that is also rarely seen. Respect for the law is another one. There are many more.

 

[Antwan23q]

It's difficult for me to accurately describe the "Australian way". It's one of those things that you notice, especially when travelling the world. In Australia we have a particular way. I have noticed a few things that I am actually proud of. For one, I note that GENERALLY, Australians are not aggressive. If there are scuffles, protests, fights or "riots", there are certain boundaries that Australians don't cross. This was evident in Cronulla. Australians tend not to smash things, or cause havoc. The use of weaponry is something that is also rarely seen. Respect for the law is another one. There are many more.

You're just defining an "Australian way" by stating what a minority, or as most people here tend to believe, a majority, of punks aren't doing.
Too many people here are even being racist and prejudice by even making a distinction between "blonde whites" and "Arab lebs". If people continue making these distinctions, these social problems are just going to continue to arise. However, it isn't just your state of mind, it is the state of mind of the whole country, and is supported by the media with their subtle "the group of Middle Eastern looking youths".
Sure, I make a distinction from time to time, I’m only human, but at least I don’t hate any group as a whole because of the actions of some small group. If I were to do that, id hate every race in this country.

 

[Antwan23q]

Slightly off topic, I found this rather interesting video, http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/12776/Appearances_Can_Be_Deceiving.html. If you want to see the game, http://www.resistance.com/ethniccleansing/catalog.htm. This shit is pretty messed up.

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Firstly i didnt mean a financial issues causing this. I meant unemployed. U people are the ones linking money with unemployment

Wat u say is untrue, Lebanese are living with whites in usa AND australia, havnt u heard of the successful lebanese people around the world. Lebanese people are phoenicians not arabs btw. Ralph Nadar a presidential canditate's parents are lebanese. Governor of NSW, premier of Victoria, and everyone knows friendly hardworking lebanese people. Therefore ur comments about lebanese not being able to live with whites is offensive and untrue.

U dont understand the problem. Ill say it again, In these cases, Their parents have not been raising them the Australian way. They raise them as if there in the old country and its hard for the youth to intergrate if the parents dont intergrate.

That's why I kept saying Muslim Lebanese, not just Lebanese in general.

Anywyay, the raising of an immigrants' children, in the "ways" of the immigrants' old country often isn't even a problem. Children of European, or even East Asian immigrants who were raised by parents who didn't integrate, don't have the same problem as the Muslim Lebanese.

Why not?

Because their 'ways' aren't so incompatible with ours! So if they're going to keep their 'ways', which aren't compatible with those of Australia, why are they here?