Australia: US/China war (1 Viewer)

[sladehk]

Imagine China sending off its citizens as suicide bombers

 

[Korn]

Yes 683,000 is South Korea's standing army which is high tech wheras the Chinese figure of 2,810,000 is incorrect because it includes the Peoples Armed Police. The PLA itself is only about a million personal I believe, and it includes air and naval personel.

They are still armed forces, fucker, they could over run almost any country on earth, just due to sheer numbers

 

[Vahl]

They are still armed forces, fucker, they could over run almost any country on earth, just due to sheer numbers

The PAP don't have good weapons, armored vehicles etc. Russia had numerical advantage in WW1 and they didn't win.

China had numerical advantage in Korean war and they didn't win. Boxer Rebellion also.

Numerical advantage is useless against technological superiority unless you outnumber your opponent by many, many times, and that is probably due to insufficient weapon stockpiles.

 

[Korn]

The PAP don't have good weapons, armored vehicles etc. Russia had numerical advantage in WW1 and they didn't win.

China had numerical advantage in Korean war and they didn't win. Boxer Rebellion also.

Numerical advantage is useless against technological superiority unless you outnumber your opponent by many, many times, and that is probably due to insufficient weapon stockpiles.

Yes but they were all crap tech compared to today, now however a AK-47 can still fuck shit up, even against M4's

 

[Vahl]

Yes but they were all crap tech compared to today, now however a AK-47 can still fuck shit up, even against M4's

Chinese forces are equipped with indigenous small arms. Besides, US air superiority would be quickly established and Chinese ground forces would be ineffectual. By the way US armoured vehicles are equipped to resist small arms fire as well as attacks from LAW style weapons etc.

 

[Korn]

Chinese forces are equipped with indigenous small arms. Besides, US air superiority would be quickly established and Chinese ground forces would be ineffectual. By the way US armoured vehicles are equipped to resist small arms fire as well as attacks from LAW style weapons etc.

I agree that the US would beat China but the narrowly, the world would be fucked up big time, cause you would have all the terrorists on China's side as well as many Middle Eastern Countries, and North Korea

 

[Korn]

Chinese forces are equipped with indigenous small arms. Besides, US air superiority would be quickly established and Chinese ground forces would be ineffectual. By the way US armoured vehicles are equipped to resist small arms fire as well as attacks from LAW style weapons etc.

Convetional arms imports
Arms production
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/crewserved.asp
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl01-e.htm
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/antitank/type73.asp

 

[Vahl]

North Korea is not a bad nation. Remember that the North originally invaded the South in a pre-emptive stike to prevent an agressive South from invading the North. (Similar to the US's policy but used in a more legitimate way. So you cannot critisise the North for starting the Korean war.

Furthermore, whilst the leaders of the North have apparently abused human rights etc. North Korea is faced with an aggressive US which has forces stationed in South Korea. As such it maintains a total war economy in order to produce the munitions to give it a chance of survival. Thus it is wrong to be high and mighty about the human rights abuses(although not excuse them) considering the measures taken in WW1 within Germany, Britain etc.

 

[Korn]

North Korea is not a bad nation. Remember that the North originally invaded the South in a pre-emptive stike to prevent an agressive South from invading the North. (Similar to the US's policy but used in a more legitimate way. So you cannot critisise the North for starting the Korean war.

Furthermore, whilst the leaders of the North have apparently abused human rights etc. North Korea is faced with an aggressive US which has forces stationed in South Korea. As such it maintains a total war economy in order to produce the munitions to give it a chance of survival. Thus it is wrong to be high and mighty about the human rights abuses(although not excuse them) considering the measures taken in WW1 within Germany, Britain etc.

Yes but did i say they were bad, there are no clear good guys and bad guys in the real world, but North Korea hate the US, so they would side with China and they have an allied relationship with China.

 

[Vangineer]

If war broke out between USA and China, USA is fucked over - gives N Korea a reason to send nukes over to america. Not only so, but the other azn countries like india and pakistan both have nukes.

If Australia is involved, they'll get screwd up as well. Australia really shud stay neutral and not involve in these international problems!

 

[Templar]

A war with China would vastly stretch US forces (a couple hundred thousand were needed to invade a virtually defenceless country like Iraq), leaving the US mainland open to attacks by terrorists.

A war is more than just who can kill the other side more...there are various diplomatic, political and economical factors...all of these ensure the US will not start a war on the current conditions.

 

[Vahl]

Yes but did i say they were bad, there are no clear good guys and bad guys in the real world, but North Korea hate the US, so they would side with China and they have an allied relationship with China.

No wonder the North Hates the US. The US has severely restricted the North's development resulting in famine etc. US bombing North Korean power stations etc.
+ Emperor Bush refering to North Korea as being a member of the so called "Axis of Evil" in 2002, despite the North making great progress towards integration, such as the first North-South summit it 2000, allowing the US to inspect a suspected nuclear site at Kumjamgi, etc.

 

[Korn]

If war broke out between USA and China, USA is fucked over - gives N Korea a reason to send nukes over to america. Not only so, but the other azn countries like india and pakistan both have nukes.

If Australia is involved, they'll get screwd up as well. Australia really shud stay neutral and not involve in these international problems!

No india and Pakistan would probably nuke each other

 

[Vahl]

A war with China would vastly stretch US forces (a couple hundred thousand were needed to invade a virtually defenceless country like Iraq), leaving the US mainland open to attacks by terrorists.

Yes but there were stockpiles of conventional weapons throughout Iraq and the resistance to US forces has been due to the unprovoked attack and arrogant manner in which the US has imposed a government, restricted freedoms( such as removing the Iraqi civil code) etc.

 

[Templar]

Yes but there were stockpiles of conventional weapons throughout Iraq.

Yes but they're "indigenous small arms" and that "US armoured vehicles are equipped to resist small arms fire as well as attacks from LAW style weapons etc."

 

[Vahl]

If war broke out between USA and China, USA is fucked over - gives N Korea a reason to send nukes over to america. Not only so, but the other azn countries like india and pakistan both have nukes.

If Australia is involved, they'll get screwd up as well. Australia really shud stay neutral and not involve in these international problems!

Agreed.

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[Italian Hotshot]

I hate the way the US is currently acting to China ... Rice said tonight that America was 'concerned' with the growth in the power of China and were afraid that they would "head down the wrong path."

Hypocritical fuckers. They are simply trying to instigate China into a less dominant Foreign Policy - ATTACK AT WILL CHINA! Australia would struggle to invade New Zealand or Tonga, let alone have an impact in the US v. China battle.

 

[waterfowl]

Hypocritical fuckers.

Well said, I agree.

 

[Xayma]

I hate the way the US is currently acting to China ... Rice said tonight that America was 'concerned' with the growth in the power of China and were afraid that they would "head down the wrong path."

Hypocritical fuckers. They are simply trying to instigate China into a less dominant Foreign Policy - ATTACK AT WILL CHINA! Australia would struggle to invade New Zealand or Tonga, let alone have an impact in the US v. China battle.

Umm Australia would easily invade New Zealand, especially since we run all their CAP's.

ANZUS isn't that active anyway, since NZ refused entry of a US nuclear powered ship into port.

But it would be interesting to see Phanatical get locked up after he tried to attack Australian buildings in the name of China

 

[Vahl]

I hate the way the US is currently acting to China ... Rice said tonight that America was 'concerned' with the growth in the power of China and were afraid that they would "head down the wrong path."

Hypocritical fuckers. They are simply trying to instigate China into a less dominant Foreign Policy - ATTACK AT WILL CHINA! Australia would struggle to invade New Zealand or Tonga, let alone have an impact in the US v. China battle.

Yep, it is the way the US believes that it can dictate to the world its polices. It doesn't matter how powerful an authority is, without the compliance of those it attempts to rule the US cannot exert its muscle. Thus the more the US pisses off the world the more it 'heads down the wrong path' to its own ultimate irrelevance.

There is a fascinating conflict at play between the stated beliefs and the actions of the US. They claim to support the right of people to self determination. But when an election results in the "wrong people" being elected they then attempt to oust the government (eg. Nicaragua).