Somebodys openly bitter.boris said:openly gay. openly a bully. openly a shitcunt
lolllllllllllllllbadquinton304 said:Somebodys openly bitter.
I did not have to been a teenager during his time as PM to remember him. There is 7:30 report (which he still appears on every now and then), youtube, late line, etc.boris said:someone openly doesn't remember him but the discussion was openly open so i opened my open opinion of openess
Well I do have to agree that he is bitter, I would also be bitter and frustrated if the same thing happened to me. When ever an idea that is foreign enters Australia peoples heads implode. Galileo would have been bitter.jb_nc said:lolllllllllllllll
yeah its paul keating
he's still tasting it from the 1996 election
There's also Don Watson's Confessions of a Bleeding Heart, a great political memoir from which some of Keating's brilliance as Prime Minister can be grasped.badquinton304 said:I did not have to been a teenager during his time as PM to remember him. There is 7:30 report (which he still appears on every now and then), youtube, late line, etc.
Good one, but I'm pretty sure he loathed John Howard well before 1996.jb_nc said:lolllllllllllllll
yeah its paul keating
he's still tasting it from the 1996 election
Keating had a great speech written at Redfern but the delivery itself wasn't outstanding, he was much better in off the cuff responses than oratory. As a leader of the opposition and environment minister we haven't really gotten the chance to see real Oratory from Turnbull. Rudd's style is effective but hardly inspirational. Rudd's conversational style is very effective I think because he combines a very refined pitch and tone with some very colloquial expressions , it's guages interest and he's articulate enough to blurr bad points and made clear good ones.badquinton304 said:I would not say Kevin Rudd was not a good speaker. I would agree that Turnbull is the better speaker out of the two, but they are both very good speakers. They both leave Howard sounding like a cave man in terms of speaking. However the only speaker that ever left me in awe in Australian politics would be Paul Keating, with the redfern address and the true believers speech.
Disagreed. Keating's speech-giving style, while perhaps not as flowery as some others, gave some emotional strength to the words - kind of Robert Kennedy-like.Lentern said:Keating had a great speech written at Redfern but the delivery itself wasn't outstanding, he was much better in off the cuff responses than oratory.
Having seen his speech in Parliament today on Remembrance Day I did think it seemed a bit lofty. Given the success of Obama, I couldn't help but feel somewhat cynical about Turnbull suddenly erupting in such language and delivery.Turnbull has a rare gift in then he is very articulate but not verbose. His tone is also quite polished so he seems sohpisticated but not so pompous as Rudd, he also works the body language very nicely although if I may say he overdoes the "taking off glassess and points with them emphatically."
I actually believe Rudd's speech making has been perhaps his most impressive attribute as Prime Minister. The apology, for example, was approached with much cynicism from a great many people, but few disagreed with it after the fact. It was a great speech, hit all the right notes and stressed the importance of the moment for those who'd been waiting a lifetime to see it. I wasn't convinced before the speech that an apology was necessary (though figured it inevitable) - but thought it so beautifully done and so heartfelt that I could in no way oppose it.Rudd's style is effective but hardly inspirational. Rudd's conversational style is very effective I think because he combines a very refined pitch and tone with some very colloquial expressions , it's guages interest and he's articulate enough to blurr bad points and made clear good ones.
Um, I still think you're kind of blurring speaking style with speech writing. Keating did not write the redfern address and he also rehearsed it, his delivery was competent but imagine for a moment what Martin Sheen could have done with it opposed to Keating and I think it's difficult to call him an outstanding orator. Debater he was second to none and in one on ones with Kerry O'brien and the like he was dynamite but oratory was probably his weakest point speakingwise.spiny norman said:Disagreed. Keating's speech-giving style, while perhaps not as flowery as some others, gave some emotional strength to the words - kind of Robert Kennedy-like.
Having seen his speech in Parliament today on Remembrance Day I did think it seemed a bit lofty. Given the success of Obama, I couldn't help but feel somewhat cynical about Turnbull suddenly erupting in such language and delivery.
I actually believe Rudd's speech making has been perhaps his most impressive attribute as Prime Minister. The apology, for example, was approached with much cynicism from a great many people, but few disagreed with it after the fact. It was a great speech, hit all the right notes and stressed the importance of the moment for those who'd been waiting a lifetime to see it. I wasn't convinced before the speech that an apology was necessary (though figured it inevitable) - but thought it so beautifully done and so heartfelt that I could in no way oppose it.
You don't need great speeches to be an effective politician, I'd even guess they probabl work the other way. There is sadly a reason that politicians have evolved into a grey, boring equivocator, trying to be all things to all people when running for office. It's what works. Speechwriters ultimately get too involved, and then policy begans becoming narrative stuff. And if you end up versing an incompetent hack than yeah it makes for great narrative, but as gooder story as Gallipoli is, you wouldn't make a battle plan based upon what happened there however admired it is.Iron said:Rudd doesnt have a speechwriter. The Apology was worked on for a long time with heavy consultation, but a PM cant do that for every speech. He's crap as a result. The rememberance day speech today was woeful. Read like a HSC textbook -'Australia was apart of the Great War. There were 80,000 killed and 150,000 wounded. This was horrifying.' etc.