tattoodguy said:
wog boy - the community thing trying to rehabiliate people is goood. What i think could work would be that all non voilent crimes welll most of them.
they should be given a few chances - and like you can give them parole for like 5 years, or whatever, and if they get jobs, get educations and join community groups they can have their parole reduced.
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I agree with some of the points you have made. Incentives to be law-abiding and be proactive is always a good thing.
Isnt jail meant to be as a last resort? yet petttty criminals are being thrown in there. Shouldnt we put a stop to this? what are you going to do about this?
When they first appear before courts, they are not thrown into gaol. They are given bonds, community work orders and the like. However many criminals (although petty) appear before the courts continuously and hence that is why they are put in gaol. Simply they have a bad record and the expectation in law and in society is incarceration for a small period.
However do note, that 70% of people who go before the courts on charges, never appear again.
As for what I would do, I would continue this. In fact I would more of a three-strikes-you're out person. However as I said earlier, an incentive should always exist for a person to take the good path to following the law. If you block that, then you might as well lock them up for life, because chances are when released they will be back again.
Or like why cant we have more home detentions etc? We have the technology now and its cheap - so why isnt that being utilised?
Does home detention achieve it's purpose? It's more expensive and gives people the luciries of their home. What if I was living in a mansion, is it fair if I have home detention compared to a person who lives in a 'dump'. What if I rent? is it fair to the landlord who has a contract to be subject to a market restriction.
your government is going to introduce mandatory sentencing - ur party is scum.
I think there was a dude who got sentenced to jail for life for stealing a piece of clothing in the NT. (how can u support brogdan - id rather the state was run by ivan milat)
Firstly, not everyone in the party is the same. My party believes in diverse opinion and we are one the few parties which allows its members to cross the floor in parliament if they please. The ALP pre-decides all its moves behind closed-doors.
You need to understand political parties aren't fixed, we have internal factions and we often disagree with each other. One barrister in my branch doesn't like mandatory detention and the party respects his views.
Carr already introduced mandatory sentencing laws to similar effect of what the liberals want. The only difference is they are more lenient (to the extent they have little effect).
I also stress (and this is a legal issue), Mandatory detention is different from Mandatory Minimum Sententing. The latter is what the liberals want. It means serious crimes have a mimimum sentence, it still gives a judge discretion and defences would still operate, however it stops judges from imposing lighter sentences. The policy oeprates in line with proposals and programmes promoting rehabilitation. So, it's different from NT. And the rubbish you heard about stealing bread carrying a life sentence is an indication of the propraganda floating around.
I ama against steep sentencing. because a person who gets the highest sentence for a small crime will commit other crimes to capitalise on his/her sentence.
Wheres the fucking justice.
It's not fully in place so you can't really use anything to back it up.
punishments should fit the crime - 95% of criminals are treated way to harshly as it is.
Source please?
And you will find the community believes 95% of criminals are treated too leniant.
do you agree with mandatory sentencing? Arnt u ashamed of that sort of policy? has any details of it beeen released?
I believe in minimum sentencing which is what brogden is trying to implement. I believe a judge should judge a crime on case-by-case issues and with the law. And a framework providing community with relief, allows for judicial review and at the same time adds to deterrence is a good idea.
how much do you want ppple to pay for their prison? give me ball park figures?
2 years ago the state paid over 60 million dollars for prison. It costs over $50,000 a year for imprisonment per capita. The proposal I put forth would seek a percentage, like the HECS system. It would be percentage based.
are you also pushing to increase prisoner compensation? and also giving people the ability to sue if they are remanded and lattter released after being found guilty?
DOesn't make sense what you said.
The government just like individuals should be accountable.
Well indiciduals don't have fiscal and monetary policy to deal with along with international affairs and the dealing of 21 million citizens.
Dont u think if you are the victim of crime you should be given alot of leniency - not that you have a right to commmit crimes, but it should play very heavily in relation to ur sentencing. Why dont u work that into ur agenda?
If you commit a crime in retaliation of being a victim then you are already given leniency. If your crime is motivated by chilhood deprivation and the like again the court may be more lenient.
YOu seeem to think its funny and acceptable that politicians lie? company directers are thrown in jail for their lies in regards to investors and companies are prosecuted for lying to consumers.
I don't think its acceptable for them to lie. Most don't or aren't given the oppurtunity. The company directors are gaoled for crimes including Fraud, politicians are also gaoled for fraud. Fraud needs a monetary subject, otherwise its not fraud. An election promise doesn't fall into this.
A promise is a promise and our government should be made accountable.
Politicians who act against the public can be voted out. We have elections for the Commonwealth every 3 years. Politicians who are corrupt are investigated and can be prosecuted (many are). THe Governor general can also sack politicians for acting against the constitution - has happened.
even if they do a shit job - they still get paid etc - if you are incompetent and cause alot of problems etc while ur the minister u should be thrown in jail.
You can be, but how do define incompetant. If you are an incompetant company director, you aren't automatically thrown in gaol.
Alll politicians get is money and holidays - and when things go bad nothing happens. There should be more serious accountability.
I can't dicuss this point. No facts, no evidence, just lifeless comments.
do you have any policies that i would like?
Probably not. Because commonsense and you don't see eye-to-eye.
I dont like ur pay for jail policy - its not reasonable - jail is the punishment and u shouldnt be punished twice.
It's an all-in-one package. If you don't want it, don't commit the crime. Crime requires a motive in general. It means you need to meditate that act. Think the other way and it wont happen.
thats like in china they execute you and then send ur family the bill for the bullet (alledgedly). i just think its a bit offf, its rubbing salt in someones wounds. people may have to commit more crimes to pay for their fines.
Again you completely forget my terms of the policy and so I cease this discussion on that point.
Your going to rehabilitate ppple by locking them and getting them raped and then when they are released making them selll their homes etc to pay for the costs of their jail.
You are a fool. I don't like people beiung raped in prison, and the government can be sued for it. I will not infringe people's right to sue for that. The reaosn they are sent there is not to be raped. I would like to see more emphasis in prison on working with prisoners, and rehabilitating them.
Give people a fucking break
I ditto the comment about you.
Question for you tattoodguy. At the age of around 24 years, what does a person like you do for a living? Furthermore what's your current status? I'd be curious as to know.