Of course, as would Turnbull... The difference however is that Nelson has been a complicate, high-profile member of the former government while Turnbull was seen as a fairly independant voice of dissidence.jimmayyy said:maybe he thinks he can win back some of the more rightish labor vote with a new leftish liberal platfoorm
Fuck yeah.Rafy said:
That's because everyone was looking at who the public thought should be leader, rather than seeing that Turnbull was going around making pronouncements about the Aboriginals, Kyoto and the like without consulting the party room, and that he hasn't been around anywhere near as long to develop the backbench support.Iron said:Good effort though. I didnt figure he had any chance against Turnbull.
An inspiration to young labor members everywhere
He has a MBBS I think.jimmayyy said:is he an actual doctor (MD) or something obscure?
I think that it's a gamble but a calculated one to appoint Nelson. By doing this and holding onto the previous successes of the government they are waiting for the economy to collapse and the "I told you so" vote. If Turnbull was elected leader now, they totally close that option as he has a completely different direction which is fair enough. I personally think it’s quite calculated as they basically are waiting to see if things go their way in terms of the economy and the effects of labor policies on, industrial relations, the environment and education. If they don't, they can rush whoever in after a year and a bit.Enteebee said:Of course, as would Turnbull... The difference however is that Nelson has been a complicate, high-profile member of the former government while Turnbull was seen as a fairly independant voice of dissidence.
Yeah I think that hubris must have been significant. To me, it just looked like he knew he had the numbers. Nelson was looking pretty defeated saying "it's an important meeting tomorrow" etc.withoutaface said:Turnbull was going around making pronouncements about the Aboriginals, Kyoto and the like without consulting the party room, .
I dont really agree, but am willing to believe you dhj_dhj_ said:The next recession is not due this term. It will happen in about 2011, since the global cyclical downturn occurred in 2001 (Australia managed to minimise its effects through slightly expansionary monetary policy and the resources boom). So it won't happen in 2008 but in approx 2011 which hopefully for Rudd will be just after his second election win. If Rudd is to be dislodged in the future, it will not be by Turnbull, whose background - so long as his opponents emphasises it - makes him practically unelectable.
Wow, they didn't waste time.Kevin Rudd said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night._dhj_ said:The next recession is not due this term. It will happen in about 2011, since the global cyclical downturn occurred in 2001 (Australia managed to minimise its effects through slightly expansionary monetary policy and the resources boom). So it won't happen in 2008 but in approx 2011 which hopefully for Rudd will be just after his second election win. If Rudd is to be dislodged in the future, it will not be by Turnbull, whose background - so long as his opponents emphasises it - makes him practically unelectable.
They took a punt both ways:Triangulum said:Wow, they didn't waste time.
His background? You do realise we just elected the second richest man in parliament prime minister, right?_dhj_ said:The next recession is not due this term. It will happen in about 2011, since the global cyclical downturn occurred in 2001 (Australia managed to minimise its effects through slightly expansionary monetary policy and the resources boom). So it won't happen in 2008 but in approx 2011 which hopefully for Rudd will be just after his second election win. If Rudd is to be dislodged in the future, it will not be by Turnbull, whose background - so long as his opponents emphasises it - makes him practically unelectable.