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Your arguement only applies for first generation immigrants. ALL the second generation people i know (wheither they be chinese or whatever) can function and speak in english quite well.
Predominantly, yes first generation immigrants. Many second generation immigrants do hold Australian values although the problem is those who don't and it is becoming a point of no return for Australia where if you are not Asian you will be in the minority.

But that is besides the point. It's none of our business what they do. If they don't learn english really only they have to suffer for it.
Of course it is our business.
 

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Predominantly, yes first generation immigrants. Many second generation immigrants do hold Australian values although the problem is those who don't and it is becoming a point of no return for Australia where if you are not Asian you will be in the minority.



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I am not saying we should force them to totally give up their own culture although they should also adopt heavily into ours. I.e. go back 50 years ago and Australia was predominantly a Caucasian nation. Every suburb had one, maybe two Chinese family owned Chinese restaurants and these were great. People got to go eat Chinese takeaway once a week and experience some diverse food. Now however it is the opposite. I have nothing against immigrants (i.e. those who came here 50 years ago and opened that Chinese takeaway) although we simply have far too many immigrants now.
Is there a limit to how many immigrants we can have? At what point do we have "too many", and why do you get to decide the arbitrary limit? Any why is it a problem anyway? I still don't get that.

I was saying they should intermingle and socialise. I.e. if you are Asian don't have all Asian friends, and vice versa for White people.
Sure. But should we be saying that "asian people must have X amount of non-asian friends" or something? I agree - I think people should socialise and intermingle. But I don't think it's up to us to decide that for those people. It's their individual choice. And we are making a huge generalisation that they choose their friends based on nationality and culture - that's not necessarily true at all. I'm sure many Asians and Muslims have a lot of friends who are Caucasian, or from other races and cultures. I don't have any evidence to back it up, but I'm sure you don't have evidence to back up your massive generalisation on the nature of immigrants and socialisation. And isn't it possible that asian people don't make friends with caucasian people because many caucasians are incredibly racist towards these asian people? Maybe they've tried to socialise, but many Australians are racist and don't like asians, or something. Maybe that makes them cynical towards us, or maybe they just lose that opportunity to make friends with people from other cultures. As you have pointed out, it works both ways.

No we obviously can't force them to leave, what has happened in the past is done now. However your first sentence is why action must be taken as otherwise in the future Australia will simply be another province of China where most people born in Australia will be Chinese and their once 'different' way of life becomes the Australian way of life.
I think that would have to rely on a lot of economic and political struggles between the two nations. We can't really be a province of China unless China takes us over or buys us out, or if our government submits to China in some way. Maybe the majority of people here will be chinese, maybe not. Maybe we'll get enough people from other completely different nationalities and cultures to somewhat balance it out. Personally, I don't see an issue. Let this natural evolution of culture take hold. As long as they don't expect us all to learn Chinese and speak Chinese though, that part I understand.

I don't believe we can get particularly attached to our culture. In extreme cases this can lead to extreme nationalism and even war. But aside from that, cultures change. Nations change. I don't think our way of life is anything special. I wouldn't want to have to conform to any particular way of life - and I don't. I just live how I want to and fuck anyone who doesn't like it. I think Chinese immigrants will have a hard time turning us into a mini-China, as we are free to practice whatever way of life we want. So I disagree with you, but I understand your point.

I want to ask you a question though. If people are moving from China to Australia, why would they want to preserve their culture anyway? Wouldn't the logical conclusion be that they wanted to embrace and experience a different culture? Otherwise, many people will have stayed in China. Of course, this is different for everyone, but I think it's an interesting thought to consider.

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See my post above with regards to Chinese takeaway food. It shows how much Australia has changed in recent years.
Yep, and my point was that change is pretty much inherent. How can you try to defend a society and damn change when that very society was brought about through similar changes?

Predominantly, yes first generation immigrants. Many second generation immigrants do hold Australian values although the problem is those who don't and it is becoming a point of no return for Australia where if you are not Asian you will be in the minority.
I don't understand your problem then lol.

Of course it is our business.
Why?

I think it's becoming apparent this debate is (and it was probably obvious from the beggining) just about values.
 

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Nothing makes me happier than buying overseas properties and shares on such a high currency in anticipation of the red necks' uprising. Feel sorry for the rest of the common folk. Oh well adios. Retired.
 

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As Bored_Of_Hsc stated before, you people are referring to mostly first generation immigrants. Most of my Asian friends, are born in Australia and have no problem at all with English. They have no accent at all, can speak, read, and write English.
 

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