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Doesn't matter, the Con is not the venue for these sorts of debates. Unless Dr. Rice was there to play a piano concerto with the Conservatorium Symphony (which is entirely possible, since she is a concert-level pianist), there is no reason why she should essentially shut down the Con.

I must keep reiterating though, the protesters are not welcome either. They can take their political agendas and shove 'em right back up their arses where they came from. I say this as both a Con student, and a student leader - they are NOT welcome at the Con.
 

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Phanatical said:
Doesn't matter, the Con is not the venue for these sorts of debates. Unless Dr. Rice was there to play a piano concerto with the Conservatorium Symphony (which is entirely possible, since she is a concert-level pianist), there is no reason why she should essentially shut down the Con.

I must keep reiterating though, the protesters are not welcome either. They can take their political agendas and shove 'em right back up their arses where they came from. I say this as both a Con student, and a student leader - they are NOT welcome at the Con.
Whoever you are you certainly give yourself a rap.
 

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Though in the light news section, you haven't been given room to 'debate' such issues in a childish manner.

The childish posts in question have been deleted.
this is the typical example where the right to freedom of speech as been abuse therefore aaaaman declares u corrupt
 

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Whoever you are you certainly give yourself a rap.
I'm in a unique position to comment on the issue. I'm not Just a Con student, I'm Also at the head of one of the four major student factions at the University of Sydney. The protesters were (are) from one of the Other student factions, and have in the past engaged in violence against Conservatorium students who dared to walk onto main campus.
 
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Phanatical said:
I must keep reiterating though, the protesters are not welcome either. They can take their political agendas and shove 'em right back up their arses where they came from.
this is a typical wise student leader that is respected by i
 

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Phanatical said:
I'm in a unique position to comment on the issue. I'm not Just a Con student, I'm Also at the head of one of the four major student factions at the University of Sydney. The protesters were (are) from one of the Other student factions, and have in the past engaged in violence against Conservatorium students who dared to walk onto main campus.
Hahahahahahhaa ISA a major faction?

Also since when is it bigger than any of NOLS, Unity, Libs or Trots?
 

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I dont understand this. It's one freaking day, if that. Musically-minded future presidents dont just muck your timetable up every day. Have a fucking sense of the bigger picture.
 

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Hahahahahahhaa ISA a major faction?

Also since when is it bigger than any of NOLS, Unity, Libs or Trots?
NOLS/Unity are, for all intents and purposes, the same bloody faction. The Libs are weak on campus, and continue to alienate students - ironically, just like the Trots.

ISA continues to grow every day. More students are expressing their interest in what we do, and our support base continues to grow at an incredibly fast rate. Since the few weeks from our official launch, we can already claim members beyond the University of Sydney.
 

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Phanatical said:
NOLS/Unity are, for all intents and purposes, the same bloody faction. The Libs are weak on campus, and continue to alienate students - ironically, just like the Trots.

ISA continues to grow every day. More students are expressing their interest in what we do, and our support base continues to grow at an incredibly fast rate. Since the few weeks from our official launch, we can already claim members beyond the University of Sydney.

This is why UTS>USYD, your uni is fucked with bullshit
 

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NOLS/Unity are, for all intents and purposes, the same bloody faction. The Libs are weak on campus, and continue to alienate students - ironically, just like the Trots.

ISA continues to grow every day. More students are expressing their interest in what we do, and our support base continues to grow at an incredibly fast rate. Since the few weeks from our official launch, we can already claim members beyond the University of Sydney.
I'll be one of the first to admit that last year's SRC campaign was a major mistake, but you're forgetting our highly successfuly Union campaigns earlier that year, where we got two of the six spots on offer, because our policies appealed to students. This is what we have to work on for SRC this year, providing policies which are both consistent with our ideological position, and appealing to students. This will come through a focus on what unites our faction, economic policy (eg privatisation of union buildings, cutting down and/or itemising fees), and through saying that we'll cut useless services across the board, rather than singling out any of the queer space, women's room, global solidarity collective, etc.

ISA will crash and burn, because when you try to please everyone, noone is happy. I mean, yes everyone agrees that a more efficient Union and SRC are desirable, but I can assure you that the left and right will have completely different ideas on how to acheive this, and you'll find this is the case with almost every other issue you come across, except perhaps for making shiny new student cards, and that alone is not going to win elections. So how many members does ISA have now Andrew? Or don't you want to release the number because when you say incredibly fast rate you mean the number increased from five to ten?
 
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I'm glad the Liberals are changing their focus this year, because quite frankly you guys NEED to change. I don't doubt your sincerity, but until SULC cleans up its act it will have the same reputation among students as the che guevara t-shirt socialists.

ISA is succeeding, because we address the challenges facing young people in ways that the political factions never could. The ISA Council does span the entire political spectrum, and while we may disagree on approaches, we agree that politics must play a distant second to actual student needs. I do not believe that the SRC or Union need to be run on political lines, and nor do most students - and this is just one reason why ISA works.
 

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I'm glad the Liberals are changing their focus this year, because quite frankly you guys NEED to change. I don't doubt your sincerity, but until SULC cleans up its act it will have the same reputation among students as the che guevara t-shirt socialists.

ISA is succeeding, because we address the challenges facing young people in ways that the political factions never could. The ISA Council does span the entire political spectrum, and while we may disagree on approaches, we agree that politics must play a distant second to actual student needs. I do not believe that the SRC or Union need to be run on political lines, and nor do most students - and this is just one reason why ISA works.
As much as you'd like to deny it, every decision you make has politics behind it. Do we privatise wentworth? Conflict between free vs controlled market principles. Do we start charging small amounts for events such as beachball? Again, conflict between the view of what the union's role is. And I'd be interested to see, given you span the entire spectrum, who your resident anarchocapitalist is.
 

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Quah, shut the fuck up, not everything is about ur and ur stupid beliefs about the Con etc. god, everything is an exercise in political grandstanding for u, get this through ur head: YOU WILL NEVER BE ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE THAT MEANS ANYTHING

protestors cant protest wherever the fuck they want
 

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No they can't. If I own a piece of land, and I don't want protestors on it, I have every right to get the police to kick them off.
 

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townie said:
Quah, shut the fuck up, not everything is about ur and ur stupid beliefs about the Con etc. god, everything is an exercise in political grandstanding for u, get this through ur head: YOU WILL NEVER BE ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE THAT MEANS ANYTHING

protestors cant protest wherever the fuck they want
he wants to be dictator

i can quote him if you like

whether he really really meant that he wanted to be dictator im uncertain, since the post with that in it was of serious issues

EDIT: the hall that rice ended up going into is owned by the government. The area outside it where security hassled students, where students and protesters were and got searched was not. Vocal classes that were anywhere in the Con, not owned by the government was not, either.
 
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withoutaface said:
ISA will crash and burn, because when you try to please everyone, noone is happy. I mean, yes everyone agrees that a more efficient Union and SRC are desirable, but I can assure you that the left and right will have completely different ideas on how to acheive this, and you'll find this is the case with almost every other issue you come across, except perhaps for making shiny new student cards, and that alone is not going to win elections. So how many members does ISA have now Andrew? Or don't you want to release the number because when you say incredibly fast rate you mean the number increased from five to ten?
Quah has not advanced to that stage of thinking yet.

Stuck in la la land speaking like he is grand poobah of the world when his ideas are utopian. Policies that see people as units who when moved around properly will do what he grand plan aims to do regardless of social dynamics and human tendencies that he seems to be totally ignorant to.

I'm so utterly and glad that Quah, by his very own self anointed self importance (narcissist), will never get elected to anything of any importance. And if he ever does I'm those who have their heads screwed on properly will make sure he never gets anywhere near power.

I don't even know him, but you only have to read his posts to realise that he is a few screws short or is missing something. Probably the sadest thing is that the loonatic theme he has to his 'politics' tends to just destroy any of the good ideas he comes up with in that people just ingore it.
 
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I'm not going to touch any of the baseless insults in this thread.

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the hall that rice ended up going into is owned by the government. The area outside it where security hassled students, where students and protesters were and got searched was not. Vocal classes that were anywhere in the Con, not owned by the government was not, either.
The entire building is owned by the NSW Government, and is leased to the University. That's everything from the Verbrugghen Hall to the tutorial rooms. The event itself was hosted by the University, not the Government.
 
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This invasion and ongoing occupation has resulted in the death of up to 180,000 innocent Iraqis, an occupation Rice insists on continuing in the name of 'democracy', despite the fact that 80 percent of Iraqis democratically demand an immediate withdrawal of US (and Australian) troops.
Umm considering that the democratically elected government realises the necessity for the time being for the US troops to stay I find that figure quite unbelievable. The government also isn't a particularly american friendly one either.
 

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180 000 is probably no more than the democide that would have been committed by the Hussein regime in the same time frame, and certainly much less than would die if the troops were to leave now, creating a state of complete anarchy.

Do these people have no grasp of logic whatsoever?
 

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No they can't. If I own a piece of land, and I don't want protestors on it, I have every right to get the police to kick them off.
i was being general, i realise they cant actually do it anywhere, but just 'cause quah says they cant doesnt mean they cant (unless it's his land)
 

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