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snot

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hey McLake i will take you up on your offer i was recently given an essay question that has completely stummped me. it was
"parody is the greatest compliment to the original" regarding the texts the real inspector hound and the mousetrap. im really stressin bout it caause i wanna use quotes and stuff but im completely muddled up. any help would be awsome :D
 

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Originally posted by snot
hey McLake i will take you up on your offer i was recently given an essay question that has completely stummped me. it was
"parody is the greatest compliment to the original" regarding the texts the real inspector hound and the mousetrap. im really stressin bout it caause i wanna use quotes and stuff but im completely muddled up. any help would be awsome :D
Hi snot.

You are able to use quotes, and I would encourage you to do so. What is it that you are muddled by exactly?

The way I would handle this question is to talk about TRIH, then about the Moustrap (breifly), and then link scences , characters and genre elements, showing how one relates to the other. Conclude by talking about the popularity of parodies, and why they are made ...
 

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thanks thats a great help. the thing that i was most muddled about was wich quotes would be the best to use?
 

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Originally posted by snot
thanks thats a great help. the thing that i was most muddled about was wich quotes would be the best to use?
Having not read/seen the moustrap I can't be 100% sure, but any quotes that show the cliche of the country house manner are good. So the phone calls made by the maid (Mrs Drudge) and the announcemnts on the radio would make good quotes, as would most of what Hound says ...
 

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ok hears the problem i recently did an awsome essay. and the teacher marked it and gave me a really shity mark though the person that came first(his favourite) was in shock that i didnt top it as my essay was awsome. and the thing is that i cant take it to the head teacher to get re-marked as this guy is the head teacher. what else can i do it was worth like 15%
 

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Do you know any good sites or books that have information about Fargo? Because all i can find is just critics' reviews, which are good, but most dont go too in-depth.
 
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hi, i know its kinda last minute, but does anyone have any ideas for crime fiction story, i have an assessment tomorrow and i haven't prepared for it, which is stupid, i've done other stories but unfortunately i can't use them, so my teacher says.
or do you have any cliches of crime fiction such as quotes.
 

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Originally posted by snot
ok hears the problem i recently did an awsome essay. and the teacher marked it and gave me a really shity mark though the person that came first(his favourite) was in shock that i didnt top it as my essay was awsome. and the thing is that i cant take it to the head teacher to get re-marked as this guy is the head teacher. what else can i do it was worth like 15%
How "shitty" is "shitty". I assume that BOS has some kind of review process if it was really terriable ..
 

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yeah well really shitty try like 11/20. they'd have to have summfin for this situation. its so unfair.
 

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Originally posted by snot
yeah well really shitty try like 11/20. they'd have to have summfin for this situation. its so unfair.
That is low. I would get in contact with BOS (via phone or email) to see what can be done ...
 

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ok rhandi if you wanna you could place your former pieces of creative writing here so in the future even if its to late now people can help advise you on how to make some great stories and infact anyone should do this cause then we will be able to throw ideas of each other.
 

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Originally posted by McLake
Yes, you should always talk about values. And yes, values fit into this qiestion. When it says "conventions" this includes all of the "modern" conventions, such as including values in texts.

Originally posted by iambored
but values were included in texts b4 as well. dsnt conventions mean the typical conventions?

this may not b rite but its the only way i can understand it.....

four important things to ALWAYS look at:
*Conventions
*Subversions
*values
*context

okay....

*all have conventions (this is what makes it a CF text...even if it is only the Mystery element)
*then u have context
*which influences the values
*and these are reflected in/result in the subversions

does this make sense??

But all these things need to be discussed

Am i on the rite track? if not PLEASE help by busting my delusion balloon
 

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Originally posted by cleopatra
this may not b rite but its the only way i can understand it.....

four important things to ALWAYS look at:
*Conventions
*Subversions
*values
*context

okay....

*all have conventions (this is what makes it a CF text...even if it is only the Mystery element)
*then u have context
*which influences the values
*and these are reflected in/result in the subversions

does this make sense??

But all these things need to be discussed

Am i on the rite track? if not PLEASE help by busting my delusion balloon
Sounds like your on the right track to me ...
 

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i am studying english extension 1 and doing Big sleep, skull beneath the skin and the real inspector hound. does anyone know where i can get a hold of some practice test papers. i checked the bored of studies resources and i cant seem to see any there relating to crime fiction.
 

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go to the actual board of studies site and look at past exam papers and the examiners notes. there is a ton of stuff
 

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Hey ppl

I'm thinking of posting my whole list of related texts ( i posted some a little while ago if anyone remembers) just wondering if anyone was interested..It's just that it's not worth my time otherwise!! BUt 'll more than happily do it if ppl want it, so let me know.
 

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hey anyone got any notes or anything like flowchart on RIH.... trying to get my head around the concept... confusing the hell outta me
 

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I have no idea in this unit at all! I am just flying by the seat of my pants so I would really appreciate some help.

I am studying The big Sleep
Real Inspector Hound
and Anil's Ghost <-- this is the text i really don't understand.
Can anyone help????
 

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D.O.A (1949) film noir, remake was made with Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid. This is better!

Raising Arizona (1987) Coen brothers, a classic and must to see.

Reservoir Dogs (1992) Tarantino, what more can I say?

Se7en (1995) Possibly scariest movie ever with Brad PItt and Morgan Freedman, about the seven deadly sins. Not for the faint at heart!

Shadow of a doubt(1943) Hitchcock, film noir, thriller.

Silence of the Lambs (1991) Good related text

Fargo(1996) Coen bros again. Really cool, using female pregnant protagonist.

L.A.Confidential (1997) I'm sure you've all seen it..if not..DO!

The Boys (1998) One of the scariest Aussie thrillers anywhere. Toni Collette and David Wenham.

Insomnia (2002) fairly recent with Robin Williams and Al Pacino.

Also, here's some texts. Seriously ppl its worthwhile just going to the library and spending an hour picking out 5 texts to read over a month or two.

Jeffrey Deaver "The bone collector"
Sue Grafton "A is for alibi"(whole series)
James PAtterson "The beach house"
kathy Reichs "deja dead"
Dashiell Hammett "The thin man"
Umberto Eco "The name of the rose" (the detective is a monk!)
Mario Puzo "The Godfather"
Minette Walters 'The glass house"
Gabriel Lord (can't think of a title but they're aussie and really cool)

Hey that's my old post from before.. I'm just going to add some to it:

Shawshank Redemption (1994) SO SAD,prison sub-genre, Tim robbins and Morgan Freedman are great together.

Pulp Fiction (1994) Quentin again, he's my fav, so yeah, just watch it. It's a homage to 70's director Sam peckinpah, the time frame is all over the place, but it's good.

Rear Window (1954) Alfred Hitchcock. Classis crime, voyeurism, Grace Kelly and Jimmy Stewart.

Gilda (1946) Rita hayworth, in HER movie. Casinos, music, singing, flirty women, sex..one for the boys and the girls.

Double Indemnity (1944) film-noir type thriller.

The Maltese Falcon (1941) we Did this as an introduction to crime, very typical crime movie, with great use of conventions like red herrings and such. And, Sam Spade the archetypal detective is soo seductive.

Psycho(1960) I'm sure you all know it. Boy loves Mummy just a little too much.

Silence of the Lambs, Red Dragon or Hannibal. Good crime fiction, loads of notes available on them.

Red Rock West(1992) Nicholas Cage in a small indie film, one of his best though.

The fugitive (1993) Classic tale of a man wrongfully accused

Falling down (1993) Michael Douglas, urban reality. An unemployed defence worker frustrated with the flaws in society, begins to psychotically and violently lash out against them.

Dog Day Afternoon(1975) In August, 1972, S.Worbitz robbed a bank. 250 cops, the FBI, 8hostages and 2000 onlookers will never forget what took place. A man robs a bank to pay for his lover's sex change operation;it turns into a hostage situation and a media circus. Very unusual film. Pacino is great, in this indictment on the media, society and discrimination.

The Sting (1973) Paul Newman and Robery Redford team up as eye candy in 30's chicago. This plot gets copied a lot, very good though.

Idiot Box(1997) Ben Mendelson and Jeremy Sims, AFI winner, westie no hoper hoods with too much time on their hands. Good characters, irony and suspense used well. Focus is on the criminals.


Ok, written text wise, Phantom Comics work incredibly well. Also, A good book I just recently read is "The Act of God" by Susan Sloan. It focuses on the supposed criminal, and has the biggest twist at the end. Also, search some of thses authors:

Lisa Scottoline: good feminist type lit.
Grisham
Archer
Jeffery Deaver
Robert Tanenbaum
Harlen Coben
Barry Maitland
Tess Gerritsen-awesome collection of books, begin with 'The Surgeon" really scary, really great.
Dominick Dunne has a book of short crime stories called "Justice"


Other places to look of you've exhausted this list is old newspaper articles, search SMH or the Telegraph. Also try recent stuff on the Sydney Writers Festival, I know they had crime workshops, there would be notes floating somewhere on the net.

If anyone's really stuck on analysing texts, try sparknotes. I wouldn't recommend it all the time, but for background info they can be good.

Hope everyone is doing well, I know I'm struggling with bloody SBS, but I am beginning to appreciate CONVENTION, CONVENTION, CONVENTION!

Also, remember lots of these texts are ones that EVERYONE uses (like Se7en) but some of them are unusual. Go for the ones you feel comfortable about writing about, not nesc. the "cool" ones.
 
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