DET policies that you may not have known... (1 Viewer)

[me121]

I've been reading the NSW Department of Education and Training's, Information for Newly Appointed Teachers, available here. Here are just some of the things which were a bit unusual, interesting, or out of the ordinary. Note that this only applies to NSW Government schools.

When confiscating personal items, such as mobile phones or hats, ask students to hand them to you. Only take items directly from students in circumstances where concern exists for the safety of the student or others and your own safety is not jeopardised by this action;

According to this they can only confiscate material if it raises a safety issue.

Poor or unacceptable practice: (this applies for teachers)

• Excluding students from a lesson or activity, then leaving them unsupervised in corridors, classrooms or storerooms;
• Leaving a class unattended or dismissing students early from a lesson so that they are unsupervised;
• Attempting to physically prevent a student from entering or leaving a classroom, unless there is a concern for the safety of the student, other students or staff;
• Pursuing a student who is attempting to run away unless that student is in immediate danger or is likely to harm another person;
• Shouting angrily at students to intimidate them;
• Public disciplining or humiliating a student as punishment or as an example to other students;
• Throwing an object, such as a duster, chalk, ball or book, at a student to get their attention;
• Threatening students with physical punishment;
• Corporal punishment, such as hitting, smacking or caning, of students is prohibited;
• Arranging activities or meetings alone with a student that are not within school guidelines or that are without the informed approval of a supervisor and, if appropriate, the parent or caregiver;
• Putting your arms around students while instructing them on the computer;
• Developing a practice of cheek kissing as a greeting or for congratulating students;
• Allowing a student to sit on your lap;
• Undressing in front of a student, e.g., in PE or Activity Centre change rooms;
• Giving gifts or money to students as a reward or incentive for good behaviour or as a gesture of friendship;
• Telling jokes of a sexual nature;
• Making sexually suggestive remarks or actions, obscene gestures or showing inappropriate videos;

Wow, so many things are poor or unacceptable practice, but I have witnessed about 90% of these things, in a public school!

Post your comments...

 

[andyn]

can u sue them for breaching it, can we dl from net? i wanna show that to my english teacher at parent-teacher interview...lol

 

[Azamakumar]

According to this they can only confiscate material if it raises a safety issue.

No, they can only take it from a student if it poses a safety threat.



If it does not pose a threat then the teacher can only ask that the student hand it over.

 

[me121]

can u sue them for breaching it, can we dl from net? i wanna show that to my english teacher at parent-teacher interview...lol

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can sue them. Not sure though. And I should have acknowledged my source, I think it was, https://www.det.nsw.edu.au/employment/recruit/casualteachers/profrespons.htm

Your interpretation is incorrect Andrew.
A teacher can only directly take the item if there is a safety issue. They can indirectly confiscate material (i.e ask the student to hand them the item) at any time.

Basically what it is emphasising is to ask the student to hand you an item that is being confiscated, as opposed to taking it, unless there is a safety issue.

So why don't students say "No, I'm not going to give you this.", what if they refuse to hand an item over requested by a member of staff?

 

[rereader]

You can refuse a teacher anything, if you don't mind a sanction or detention or whatever for uncooperative behaviour. You raise the teacher's blood pressure, waste some class time, be a hero or a jerk depending on the teacher's cred.

If you whinge about it, you look stupid.

 

[melanieeeee.]

Wow, so many things are poor or unacceptable practice, but I have witnessed about 90% of these things, in a public school!

just proves how shit public schools are.











EDIT: nah i joke i joke
but seriously the list isn't unreasonable.

 

[wrong_turn]

and now i remember why being in high school is so degrading...

 

[boris]

Also, I think somewhere in the DET policy it says...

ALL FORMS OF PLAGIARISM ARE PROHIBITED

 

[me121]

Also, I think somewhere in the DET policy it says...

ALL FORMS OF PLAGIARISM ARE PROHIBITED

I will never never believe that unless you provide a legitimate source..

 

[boris]

Sigh.

What is cheating in HSC assessment?

Cheating, or malpractice, is dishonest behaviour by a student that gives them an unfair advantage over others. Most students understand what cheating in an examination means, but there are other types of behaviour that are also considered cheating.

Here are some examples of behaviour considered to be cheating:

* copying, buying, stealing or borrowing someone else's work in part or in whole, and presenting it as your own
* using material directly from books, journals, CDs or the internet without acknowledging the source
* submitting work that contains a large contribution from another person, such as a parent, coach or subject expert, that is not acknowledged
* paying someone to write or prepare material that is associated with a task, such as process diaries, logs and journals.

The examples above are generally referred to as plagiarism.
What is plagiarism?

Plagiarism is when you pretend that you have written or created a piece of work that someone else originated. It is cheating, it is dishonest, and it will jeopardise your HSC exam results. The following are common questions about plagiarism.

Q Is it plagiarism if I copy someone else's work exactly and claim it is my own work?
A Definitely yes!
Q Is it plagiarism if I change some of the words or the order of sentences in the passage I am copying?
A Yes. You are using someone else's thoughts and words without acknowledgement.
Q Is it plagiarism if someone else proofreads my written work and changes my final draft?
A It is not plagiarism to have someone correct your spelling and grammar. However, if a parent or tutor or anyone else makes major changes to the wording of your draft, the final version is no longer your own work.
Q Is it plagiarism if I get ideas from my reading and research and use them to support and develop my own ideas, but acknowledge the original source in the work I hand in?
A No, this is not plagiarism. You have acknowledged where your ideas came from. It is legitimate to build on ideas from others provided you don't claim they are your own.
Q Is it plagiarism if I quote from a source and indicate this using quotation marks, footnotes or in other ways, and then acknowledge the source in my text and/or in my bibliography?
A This is not plagiarism. You have taken steps to show you are presenting another's words or ideas.

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/manuals/advice_students.html

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/manuals/pdf_doc/hsc_assess_advice_teacher.pdf

 

[boris]

oh she beated me

 

[me121]

It is fairly clear that the message is: plagiarism is not ok/not allowed/considered inappropriate etc


"The Board of Studies treats cheating and plagiarism extremely seriously and has various penalties it can apply, including a mark of zero for part or all of the examination, and/or withholding the HSC in one or more courses."

Source: DET


"Procedures relating to malpractice
All work presented in assessment tasks and external examinations (including submitted works and practical examinations) must be your own or must be acknowledged appropriately. Malpractice, including plagiarism, could lead to your receiving zero marks and will jeopardise your HSC results.
Malpractice is any activity that allows you to gain an unfair advantage over other students. It includes, but is not limited to:
• copying someone else’s work in part or in whole, and presenting it as your own
• using material directly from books, journals, CDs or the internet without reference to the source
• building on the ideas of another person without reference to the source
• buying, stealing or borrowing another person’s work and presenting it as your own
• submitting work to which another person such as a parent, coach or subject expert has contributed substantially
• using words, ideas, designs or the workmanship of others in practical and performance tasks without appropriate acknowledgement
• paying someone to write or prepare material
• breaching school examination rules
• using nonapproved aids during an assessment task
• contriving false explanations to explain work not handed in by the due date
• assisting another student to engage in malpractice. "

Source: Board of Studies

That is the Board's policies.. the text I quoted referred to DET's policies.

 

[boris]

That is the Board's policies.. the text I quoted referred to DET's policies.

*slaps forehead*

The Board of Studies:

* sets the core curriculum by developing syllabuses for Kindergarten to Year 12 and provides support materials for teachers and parents;
* manages the NSW School Certificate external Tests (Year 10) and the Higher School Certificate Examinations (Year 12) each year;
* assesses student achievement and awards high quality credentials to meet the needs of the full range of students;
* promotes the provision of quality education by developing, communicating and implementing educational policies and practices;
* provides advice on grading and assessment policy and procedures;
* promotes the provision of quality education through the registration and accreditation of non-government schools, certifying that they may teach students and enter students for the examinations; and
* effectively manages its resources so that educational objectives are met.

 

[Jinpoo]

-Excluding students from a lesson or activity, then leaving them unsupervised in corridors, classrooms or storerooms; [Occurs regularly in chemistry and english. I used to spend more time admiring the pot plants than learning about Romeo and Juliet in year 10]
-Leaving a class unattended or dismissing students early from a lesson so that they are unsupervised; [HAHA we used to have the most clueless english teacher.. she used to leave the classroom, all flustered, claiming to be 'photocopying stimulus material' at the start of the period. she would then return with the bell that signalled period's end. esh up much?]
-Attempting to physically prevent a student from entering or leaving a classroom, unless there is a concern for the safety of the student, other students or staff; [this is borderline. never happened in my experience]
-Pursuing a student who is attempting to run away unless that student is in immediate danger or is likely to harm another person; [lol not yet]
-Shouting angrily at students to intimidate them; [it doesn't work anymore.. used to happen in year 7]
-Public disciplining or humiliating a student as punishment or as an example to other students; [happens.. except role reversals with subs]
-Throwing an object, such as a duster, chalk, ball or book, at a student to get their attention; [nope, asians dont like getting pelted]
-Threatening students with physical punishment; [lol nope]
-Corporal punishment, such as hitting, smacking or caning, of students is prohibited; [no]
-Arranging activities or meetings alone with a student that are not within school guidelines or that are without the informed approval of a supervisor and, if appropriate, the parent or caregiver; ["meet me behind the bike shed after school for.. remedial.. english.. make sure you're not followed"]
-Putting your arms around students while instructing them on the computer; [we're all chums]
-Developing a practice of cheek kissing as a greeting or for congratulating students; [oooo thats chat..]
-Allowing a student to sit on your lap; [hello santa]
-Undressing in front of a student, e.g., in PE or Activity Centre change rooms; [haha i wish]
-Giving gifts or money to students as a reward or incentive for good behaviour or as a gesture of friendship; [well.. some girls got a ride home in the PE teacher's car after school coz they did well in sports.. never heard from them since]
-Telling jokes of a sexual nature; [to be honest, this happens frequently when you're a senior. although teachers will never 'initiate' these strings of dirty jokes, if they chance upon two students discussing something saucy.. they will often share their knowledge]
-Making sexually suggestive remarks or actions, obscene gestures or showing inappropriate videos; [ancient history teachers that show us porn on greek jars? the awkwardness is priceless]

 

[me121]

I think you misunderstand the role of the DET/Board of Studies. If you are going to make a fuss over them in future I recommend you actually do some research to ensure you have an adequate understanding of the system first (or else you will look like a fool)

Just to keep you happy refer to this DET Policy regarding curriculum planning and programming which basically outlines how you have to refer to Board of Studies documents.

notice the assessment section never mentions anything about plagarism.

1.1.1

Schools plan curriculum and develop teaching programs which are consistent with the Education Act and Board of Studies syllabuses and credentialing requirements.

this is to do with curriculum and teaching programs.. they are just saying they teach what the board prescribes.. they are not saying anything about the policies that implement.

 

[boris]

notice the assessment section never mentions anything about plagarism.



this is to do with curriculum and teaching programs.. they are just saying they teach what the board prescribes.. they are not saying anything about the policies that implement.

Are you seriously that stupid?

 

[me121]

Are you seriously that stupid?

i don't think so

 

[me121]

due to your lack of access to the DET portal you can't view a lot of DET documents.

yeh, they killed my account at the end of last year..

But i never said they don't have policies.. i just found it hard to believe without actually seeing them..

 

[wuddie]

holy cow, so you can't send someone out from the class? or give little kids lollies after story time and stuff? that's weird.

i know teachers from my high who have broken pretty much all of the above, and i am quite certain of it.

 

[boris]

me121: Do you really think plagiarism is right?
If you do: LOL!

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!


dont get him started