Do you agree with this AWAs/IR Laws bulldust? (2 Viewers)

[jb_nc]

Sigh.

That's the law.


And the workplace ombudsman will enforce it.

 

[jb_nc]

my new job pays me in pizza dough. passes the fairness test (its totally fair) apparently my land lord wont accept pizza dough as payment though

 

[withoutaface]

my new job pays me in pizza dough. passes the fairness test (its totally fair) apparently my land lord wont accept pizza dough as payment though

He would if the proletariat rose up and delivered us a socialist gift economy.

 

[katie_tully]

Is Rolf Harris really dead? *googles furiously*

 

[jb_nc]

He would if the proletariat rose up and delivered us a socialist gift economy.

"There is no such thing as different cultures, just different classes" -- some faggot

 

[ZabZu]

Obviously peoples' experiences with AWAs are different. Lots of people will be very happy with their agreement, such as people involved in the mining industry in WA. However, unskilled workers in areas such as retail and hospitality are very vulnerable

Unskilled workers individually have little bargaining power. AWAs prevent workers from bargaining collectively so we have situations whereby the employer unilaterally determines the conditions except for the 5 protected conditions (min wage, annual leave, etc).

This lack of bargaining power has also seen a decline in real wages for low-income workers. Some AWAs span 5 years yet there is no wage increase in the life of the agreement.

 

[Snaykew]

so i herd u liek mudkipz?

 

[katie_tully]

Unskilled workers individually have little bargaining power

So and and skill yourself, ffs.

Did you know, and I just found this out, people on health care cards get ONE free TAFE course of their choice a year? So why aren't these low paid, unskilled people who are more than likely eligible for a HCC going and getting SKILLED?

 

[ZabZu]

So and and skill yourself, ffs.

Did you know, and I just found this out, people on health care cards get ONE free TAFE course of their choice a year? So why aren't these low paid, unskilled people who are more than likely eligible for a HCC going and getting SKILLED?

We're not talking about why people dont do further education. The issue is that the employment law doesnt provide an adequate safety net.

 

[katie_tully]

Which has been rehashed several times already. To which we keep asking the question, how has the safety net been abolished.

Without doing a Born2placebo and just posting random ABC articles.

 

[Born2baplacebo]

That's the law.


And the workplace ombudsman will enforce it.

That's bullshit. No one believes that lady on TV, because we all know she's screwing and being paid from some liberal supporter.

The workplace ombudsman only exists to make the liberal front benchers look useful.

 

[Tulipa]

That's bullshit. No one believes that lady on TV, because we all know she's screwing and being paid from some liberal supporter.

The workplace ombudsman only exists to make the liberal front benchers look useful.

So you keep ignoring questions by making statements about peoples personal lives?

Nice.

 

[kokodamonkey]

who said the majority of the population doesnt like it? AWA's have existed for 10years.. they arnt "something new" people act as if they only just showd up and are screwing everyone over.. If people didnt like them, they could have voted howard out years ago, further more howard said that if they got a senate majority this was the kindof stuff they'd be bringing in..

I love it that employers "have all these powers" now. You seem to forget that its actually the employer that owns the business. I know it comes as such a shock to myself, that its the employer that owns the business! Therefore the employer should be able to do what they want, as THEY OWN IT. just like parent-child relationship.. child does what parent tells them to do! If you dont like your employer, no one is putting a gun to your head to work for them, quit and stop whining.

Why does everyone whine about awa's and how all families are screwed by them? When like 5% of the workforce is on them.. Im also sick of this propaganda how people have been stripped of their rights underworkchoices. Idiots. They kind of forget to mention that these people have traded them in for other benefits like an increased salary.. Furthermore, i see no point in having this "fairness test" considering there shouldnt be an issue with it if both parties (employee and employer) agree to it..

Unions should be disbanded and destroyed. They dont represent australia's workers, they represent their own powerbase. Have any of you seem to notice that all the unions care about, is that they lose their power/control over workplaces, rather then the rights of employees? oh wait, im the only one that seemed to notice that. btw, here is some irony for you "Union Boss". Unions have no right to march in to workplaces or cause strikes whenever they feel like it, the new system is fair with the secret ballot and majority required etc.

 

[Born2baplacebo]

The workplace obudsman doesn't give the AWAs a better place. It gives the liberal front benchers as though they are saints for introducing these work reforms. I have encountered too many cases in my own personal experience that the workplace obudsman has sat on his/her asses and continued to let unfair dismissal occur. And plus, my personal comment was another version of another boser's comment about her on the ad. I know these reforms were meant to make things 'better' but there are just too many facts and unfair advantages that the bosses have. Why were they put in to start with? To screw people over more?

Statistics prove that workers are worse off under AWAs:
The average weekly earnings of workers on AWAs have dropped by 11% from May 2002 to May 2004. Women employed on AWAs earn 11% less per hour than women employed on collective agreements.
In Western Australia, the Liberal State Government passsed similar legislation to WorkChoices.
75.5% of WA individual contracts contained no pay increase.
67% of WA individual contracts did not have overtime rates.
74% of WA individual contracts contained weekend penalties.
78% of WA individual contracts had hours of work Monday to Sunday, meaning a seven day working week, and only 3% of WA individual contracts contained annual leave loading.

 

[katie_tully]

Statistics prove that workers are worse off under AWAs:

Source of statistics plz, k thx.

Have you done any form of statistical studies? I can assure you these types of statistics mean nothing. they're bogus. They don't even make sense.

 

[katie_tully]

I am waiting for you to stop posting shit and to show me an extract from the bill that specifically states and backs up all of these figures.
IE. I am waiting for an extract that says 'you can have your penalty rates taken off you'. You know why you can't? Because it's FALSE INFORMATION.

 

[kokodamonkey]

exactly.

I am waiting for you to stop posting shit and to show me an extract from the bill that specifically states and backs up all of these figures.
IE. I am waiting for an extract that says 'you can have your penalty rates taken off you'. You know why you can't? Because it's FALSE INFORMATION.

 

[Born2baplacebo]

Parliment wouldn't disclose the loopholes. They leave it up to the workplaces to find them and take advantage of them.

Here's an example of Parliment's AWAs reform:
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/2080A291A288E3D4CA2571FD00194B6A?opendocument

"simplifying administrative processes" = cutting jobs

"The number of non SES staff on Australian Workplace Agreements (AWA) is relatively low this year, in comparison to previous years. The reason for the low number is that most non SES AWAs were terminated by agreement when their nominal expiry dates passed, and the ABS is preparing new non SES AWAs. There has been a delay in the release of the new AWAs as they are being prepared to meet the requirements in the amended Workplace Relations Act 1996." = "In other words you're old to work according these work place reforms set in place, so we're going to fire you".

 

[katie_tully]

There are no loopholes, ffs.

The old AWA's ran out and so they are preparing new AWA's which comply with the amended system. Yeah, so what? Am I missing something?

 

[ZabZu]

who said the majority of the population doesnt like it? AWA's have existed for 10years.. they arnt "something new" people act as if they only just showd up and are screwing everyone over.. If people didnt like them, they could have voted howard out years ago

AWAs prior to WorkChoices covered only 2% of workers. AWAs also had more minimum conditions such as meal breaks and there was the "no disadvantage" test which provided monetary compensation for the loss of conditions

Therefore the employer should be able to do what they want, as THEY OWN IT.

Peoples' working wages and conditions form part of their human rights.

They kind of forget to mention that these people have traded them in for other benefits like an increased salary.

Remember the Spotlight 2c an hour case. The workers were given an extra 2c an hours for the loss of penalty rates, overtime, etc. Im sure the workers there are very grateful for the increase in their salary.