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For OxBridge they pretty much only look at your ATAR, a good interview on top of that will can almost guarantee you. If you have an ATAR below 98.5 however, they won't even bother to look at your entire application.
Not entirely true. SATs can also be extremely helpful when applying. Most students apply well and sit the enterance exams well before they have undertaken the HSC exams, let alone received their ATARs.
 

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Oh okay. So do you think I should only spend money on the interview only if I am almost certain that I could make it through, or is it worth a shot?
Do you have a method of paying international student fees? They are quite substantial and you are unlikely to be able to take out loans.
 

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Hey, would my atar be sufficient enough to apply for a degree in science at Oxbridge?
You will also need to do the enterance exams, but it should suffice. Which science are you interested in applying for? Chemistry?
 

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You will also need to do the enterance exams, but it should suffice. Which science are you interested in applying for? Chemistry?
Physics. And my parents should be able to cover the payments required for the university (although I don’t want to put them through that). I think upon reconsideration though it would be more pragmatic for me to apply to international unis during post grad rather than undergrad, but I’ll still keep my options open I guess.
 

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I cannot afford a foreign undergrad degree, but just wondering, how difficult is it to get into a well ranked US university for a pHD/graduate program, coming from an Australian university? I am considering the possibility of pursuing a pHD in maths, if my uni marks are good enough.
 

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I cannot afford a foreign undergrad degree, but just wondering, how difficult is it to get into a well ranked US university for a pHD/graduate program, coming from an Australian university? I am considering the possibility of pursuing a pHD in maths, if my uni marks are good enough.
It really depends which schools you want to go - it's not hard at all to get into a PhD program, but yeah it isn't easy if you're looking for the top schools. Graduate school applications are mostly based off academics and relevant research experience, whereas undergrad focuses a lot on extracirricular etc. Australian degrees are fine when it comes to apply for graduate study in the US. However, keep in mind that you need a 4 year degree to get into a US institution, so you'd need honours if you're in a standard 3yr science degree. I'm only familiar with the selection process for engineering schools, so I'm not too familiar with math. I do have a bunch of friends who did their math PhD from Columbia and Harvard. However, they also did their UG in the US and were all olympians, so it's not really a fair example.
 
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Not entirely true. SATs can also be extremely helpful when applying. Most students apply well and sit the enterance exams well before they have undertaken the HSC exams, let alone received their ATARs.
In the UK there are no SATs. There are only the entrance exams you do which depend on which degree you choose to apply for.
 
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It really depends which schools you want to go - it's not hard at all to get into a PhD program, but yeah it isn't easy if you're looking for the top schools. Graduate school applications are mostly based off academics and relevant research experience, whereas undergrad focuses a lot on extracirricular etc. Australian degrees are fine when it comes to apply for graduate study in the US. However, keep in mind that you need a 4 year degree to get into a US institution, so you'd need honours if you're in a standard 3yr science degree. I'm only familiar with the selection process for engineering schools, so I'm not too familiar with math. I do have a bunch of friends who did their math PhD from Columbia and Harvard. However, they also did their UG in the US and were all olympians, so it's not really a fair example.
You’re correct, another thing is that in order to get into a Postgraduate OR PhD, to boost your chances significantly you’ll need to be at a Go8 University and be in the top percentile if you cohort amongst other things.
 

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In the UK there are no SATs. There are only the entrance exams you do which depend on which degree you choose to apply for.
UK Universities are more then happy to look at SAT results if undertaken by International Students. I know of a fair few Australian applicants to Oxbridge who had their SAT results help push their application up. Just because it is not a “UK Secondary” thing does not mean for international students it is not helpful as part of their application process.
 
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UK Universities are more then happy to look at SAT results if undertaken by International Students. I know of a fair few Australian applicants to Oxbridge who had their SAT results help push their application up. Just because it is not a “UK Secondary” thing does not mean for international students it is not helpful as part of their application process.
Yes, that’s more common for US Students applying to the UK. As that is there secondary school qualification. We don’t recommend Australian students to do that and focus on getting the best ATAR they can get.
 

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Physics. And my parents should be able to cover the payments required for the university (although I don’t want to put them through that). I think upon reconsideration though it would be more pragmatic for me to apply to international unis during post grad rather than undergrad, but I’ll still keep my options open I guess.
I’d still apply you might regret not applying for undegraduate and it is good practice for Post Grad applications.
 

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You’re correct, another thing is that in order to get into a Postgraduate OR PhD, to boost your chances significantly you’ll need to be at a Go8 University and be in the top percentile if you cohort amongst other things.
What are the Go8 universities? I'm either going to be going to ANU or USyd for maths and I heard they both are internationally recognised. I won't be able to afford to do undergrad at an Ivy league uni though and I also have no olymiad experience so as silly as it is I would have no chance getting in.
 

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What are the Go8 universities? I'm either going to be going to ANU or USyd for maths and I heard they both are internationally recognised. I won't be able to afford to do undergrad at an Ivy league uni though and I also have no olymiad experience so as silly as it is I would have no chance getting in.
ANU and USyd are both Go8, Group of Eight (Go8) is just a group of the older ("sandstone") research focussed universities in Australia - ANU, USyd, UNSW, Melbourne, Monash, UWA, UQ and Adelaide
 

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ANU and USyd are both Go8, Group of Eight (Go8) is just a group of the older ("sandstone") research focussed universities in Australia - ANU, USyd, UNSW, Melbourne, Monash, UWA, UQ and Adelaide
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification
 

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