Does God exist? (21 Viewers)

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

Those experiemnts are only widely accepted because people believe that those scientistis are qualified. What if they're not sure experiments can make things happen which are predicted but the explaination of how that happened is made up a theory. Clearly you dont believe in love or happiness or sadness or any emotion for that matter. You CAN'T give proof of those feelings you just have to take peoples word for it. Read the bible, pray a few times, see gods work and then get back to me.

and that's enough from you.

 

[Sadiah]

you know... invisible flying elephants could exist.

For that matter, then all my fantasy creatures exist too - in an invisible manner.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

haiiiiiii guyzzzzz

 

[Karlmarx]

Those experiemnts are only widely accepted because people believe that those scientistis are qualified. What if they're not sure experiments can make things happen which are predicted but the explaination of how that happened is made up a theory. Clearly you dont believe in love or happiness or sadness or any emotion for that matter. You CAN'T give proof of those feelings you just have to take peoples word for it. Read the bible, pray a few times, see gods work and then get back to me.

HAHA. YOU, on the same card, cant give proof that god exists! Your just as bad! but you see, we have evidence, supporting our claims. We can prove that WW2 ended on the 7th of may, 1945. You cant prove that Jesus actually did the things he did. So, WW2 is a theory is it... Okay then. You need God, clearly. Your much more stupid than i anticipated.

You cant prove that God exists. Your Bible is not proof. Read the start of the article.

The claim here is that the religious text (Bible, Quran, etc) proves that God exists. This argument makes the fallacy of begging the question (or circular reasoning). When the argument is set out clearly this becomes obvious:

How do we know God exists?
God exists because the Bible says so.
Why should we believe the Bible?
Because the Bible is the word of God.
How do we know God exists?
God exists because the Bible says so.
Why should we believe the Bible?
Because the Bible is the word of God.

How do we know God exists?

(etc, ad infinitum.)

You cannot use the conclusion you are trying to prove (that God exists) as one of your premises. The premise “the Bible is the word of God” already assumes the truth of the conclusion.

Sorry, but your an idiot.

 

[aimee935]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha im an idiot because i choose to believe in something i cannot necessarily see? look around miricles happen every day. Doctors report of medical miracles happening all the time. They can't have no explanation of it at all. You science fails you all the time. It's not about who's wrong or right if you don't believe who am i to say you should but don't shut god down because of lack of proof. Proof is all around us you just can't be so pessimistic about it all.

 

[tommykins]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha im an idiot because i choose to believe in something i cannot necessarily see? look around miricles happen every day. Doctors report of medical miracles happening all the time. They can't have no explanation of it at all. You science fails you all the time. It's not about who's wrong or right if you don't believe who am i to say you should but don't shut god down because of lack of proof. Proof is all around us you just can't be so pessimistic about it all.

Although a possible troll, you can't just say that something being unexplainable (currently that is, it might be explained later) means that it's a miracle and God did it.

We all know the ancient stories, why it rained/why the sun came up/why things fell - superstitious beliefs of miracles which then turned out to be explained by science.

I don't get why you say shut down god because lack of proof, isn't that a good reason to shut down a theory?

 

[Karlmarx]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha im an idiot because i choose to believe in something i cannot necessarily see? look around miricles happen every day. Doctors report of medical miracles happening all the time. They can't have no explanation of it at all. You science fails you all the time. It's not about who's wrong or right if you don't believe who am i to say you should but don't shut god down because of lack of proof. Proof is all around us you just can't be so pessimistic about it all.

You are so wrong, on so many levels. This is the problem of religion.


It truely is, the opium of the masses. Allowing someone like you to have some security in nothing.

 

[tommykins]

What I'm trying to say is that logic is not necessarily a constant that is a universal truth. Just becuase something is illogical, it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist as logic itself is flawed. We cannot automatically assume that logic is the be all and end all of all things.

Although I can see the point yuo're trying to make, in all practicality - what other options/methods can we use other than logic?

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha im an idiot because i choose to believe in something i cannot necessarily see? look around miricles happen every day. Doctors report of medical miracles happening all the time. They can't have no explanation of it at all. You science fails you all the time. It's not about who's wrong or right if you don't believe who am i to say you should but don't shut god down because of lack of proof. Proof is all around us you just can't be so pessimistic about it all.

associating these alleged "miracles" to god is such a slap in the face to hardworking doctors and scientists mate.

and you know what would be a TRUE miracle?


if an amputee's limb suddenly grew back.

 

[Karlmarx]

*crack goes the whip*

 

[aimee935]

god can also be explained later. The proof you all need is on the other side of death. No harm in believely in him. The bible teaches us to live a good healthy life. To be respectlfull of one another to nto harm or kill. If everyone lived by the work of god we would live in peace. No terrorism no racism. God is real. I dont need proof to believe that.

 

[mirakon]

Although I can see the point yuo're trying to make, in all practicality - what other options/methods can we use other than logic?

Which leads me to my point. Logic is the way to go for practical progress, immaterialism is for personal spiritual enlightenment. Religion, as a practical manifestation of faith in God, is hence entirely pointless.

It's an interesting question however. However logic can be extended so as to accomodate metaphysics. Logic is a way of determining what should happen, not necessarily what actually is happening.

 

[SeCKSiiMiNh]

god can also be explained later. The proof you all need is on the other side of death. No harm in believely in him. The bible teaches us to live a good healthy life. To be respectlfull of one another to nto harm or kill. If everyone lived by the work of god we would live in peace. No terrorism no racism. God is real. I dont need proof to believe that.

the bible has also paved way for homophobia, sexism, slavery...


haiii ^_^

 

[Karlmarx]

god can also be explained later. The proof you all need is on the other side of death. No harm in believely in him. The bible teaches us to live a good healthy life. To be respectlfull of one another to nto harm or kill. If everyone lived by the work of god we would live in peace. No terrorism no racism. God is real. I dont need proof to believe that.

Yes, you do. No TERRORISM? NO RACISM?

Why did we have 9/11? Wrong interpretations of the Qu'ran, although some of that shit is radical enough. No racism? Where do you think people get racist motives from? Religion.

Jewish people are the lamb here. 6 Million lie dead, why? Religion. No other reason, simply because of belief. So, you claim that if everyone worked by the word of god, there would be peace? Have a hard look at the last 5000 years of jewish history, and come back, to tell me that religion has made people 'less' angry.

 

[Karlmarx]

Oh, I love ignorance. Let's me take away the bliss.

 

[mirakon]

btw, thsi is really a philosophical discussion about God, not a religious/anti-religious rambling session. The argument concerning God goes far beyond whether a religion is right or wrong. Even if Christianity, Islam or Judaism are wrong it doesn't detract from the existence of a God per se, merely that an Abrahamic God is insufficient.

So yeah, keep the argument about God guys, not about religion.

 

[Karlmarx]

btw, thsi is really a philosophical discussion about God, not a religious/anti-religious rambling session. The argument concerning God goes far beyond whether a religion is right or wrong. Even if Christianity, Islam or Judaism are wrong it doesn't detract from the existence of a God per se, merely that an Abrahamic God is insufficient.

So yeah, keep the argument about God guys, not about religion.

My chickens have laid their eggs. Touche, salesman.

Existence of God, is unfortunately, almost unprovable, and disprove-able too.


Circular reasoning. But, religious arguments for the existence of God is what gets me on firez.

 

[tommykins]

god can also be explained later. The proof you all need is on the other side of death. No harm in believely in him. The bible teaches us to live a good healthy life. To be respectlfull of one another to nto harm or kill. If everyone lived by the work of god we would live in peace. No terrorism no racism. God is real. I dont need proof to believe that.

Jibber jabber pascal's wager

 

[aimee935]

believing in god and religion...two different things. Here are just some of the commandments

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

you telling me if every single person on this earth followed just 5 of these commandments we would still have terror?

 

[mirakon]

believing in god and religion...two different things.

Then stop discussing religion on thsi thread, which is about the concept of God only, not about religion.