Easter Road Toll (2 Viewers)

[Jiga]

Ok my thoughts:

And honestly, why oh why do people care about the increased coverage given to P-Platers in the news? Lol, it's not as if the police randomly pull over P-platers for doing nothing, and nor would media coverage have an impact on this

Ok I will give you the benfit of the doubt and assume youve been living under a rock.... but see there are these things called restrictions, more are coming out.... this has come about because through the medias bullsh*t people have influenced govt.

The most efficient way to drive is to make use of open lanes and keep up with traffic. That sometimes involves speeding but it's not motorists fault that the speed limits are wrong. The people who drive on the same roads every single day are more aware of the safe speed to drive than anyone else.

Exactly. And one situation I can give an example of that I encounter abit, there will be cars in the lane next to you lined up, but space in front of the car next to you ahead... the lane is ending... what do you do? Continue at same speed and get run off becuase many people wont slow down to let you in. Brake and then get caught up with rest of traffic? Or how about just speed up alittle and get in front to the vacant area. Afterall you want traffic to move along smoothly, by doing the last option I mentioned you are doing this, ableit illegally due to the stupid emphasis on speeding, whereas the other options would have effected traffic negatively yet are legal.

i don't see the point of all those v6 which can get to 100k within 5 or 6 secs, i mean, as if you are not going to speed knowing your car can do that.

i say every car should be fixed with a stalling mechanism, which will stall the car as soon as it goes over 120 or so.

As said your an idiot. You put a speed limiter on cars. But n e way thats irrelevant. The reason why people want fast cars is so in situations like I mentioned above they know they can overtake safetly. Or when they want to overtake onto the wrong side of the road with a broken line (so its legal) some slow coach they know they have the power to get passed them easily and in the shortest time possible. There are practical reasons why you want powerful cars... anyone who drives alot (like me lol) and a number of different cars (from piss weak cars to decent ones) knows the benefits of knowing when you put the foot down that you can overtake another person (even if they are pricks and speed up!)

In response to the quote above somewhere concerning braking speeds, that's extremely relevant to the situation. Granted, 2km/h over, which IS illegal is going to barely make a difference, but it's certainly something to consider when Asian guys with their super modified fully-sik-bro cars say that they're in complete control.

The braking argument is stupid. Every 1km/h you do over 0km/h increaes braking distance! And not to mention some cars doing 100km/h can stop quicker then ones doing 80km/h due to better brakes!!!

Also, in response to the thing about the dangers of going slow, what rubbish. I get overtaken constantly during peak hour on my way to the station (on my way there, there's a bypass which is dual carriageway) and there's no congestion whatsoever. It's a moot point.

NO it is valid, I see it all the time. Fact is driving a car in general isnt easy, when you need to change lanes in lots of traffic the risk of crashing increases. For example, you have to check your blindspot, in that split second in congested traffic the car in front could brake and you hit them. Point is, the less lane changing the better. So slow drivers (I class as doing 10km/h or more under the limit) forcing others to change lanes is worse and they are a hinderence to the flow of traffic!

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Ok I will give you the benfit of the doubt and assume youve been living under a rock.... but see there are these things called restrictions, more are coming out.... this has come about because through the medias bullsh*t people have influenced govt.

OH NOES! What, what is it that we actually lose? We're not allowed to carry a car full of people after a certain hour and in exchange a few lives are saved? FUCK ME DEAD! WHAT AN EVIL, EVIL LAW!

Exactly. And one situation I can give an example of that I encounter abit, there will be cars in the lane next to you lined up, but space in front of the car next to you ahead... the lane is ending... what do you do? Continue at same speed and get run off becuase many people wont slow down to let you in. Brake and then get caught up with rest of traffic? Or how about just speed up alittle and get in front to the vacant area. Afterall you want traffic to move along smoothly, by doing the last option I mentioned you are doing this, ableit illegally due to the stupid emphasis on speeding, whereas the other options would have effected traffic negatively yet are legal.

You missed the point entirely. What our friend was trying to say is that speeding is acceptable on local roads, because for whatever moronic reason that you've both made up, you know the roads better than the authorities. That's not the case. You lose. Stick to the speed limit and stop killing people, assholes.

As said your an idiot. You put a speed limiter on cars. But n e way thats irrelevant. The reason why people want fast cars is so in situations like I mentioned above they know they can overtake safetly. Or when they want to overtake onto the wrong side of the road with a broken line (so its legal) some slow coach they know they have the power to get passed them easily and in the shortest time possible. There are practical reasons why you want powerful cars... anyone who drives alot (like me lol) and a number of different cars (from piss weak cars to decent ones) knows the benefits of knowing when you put the foot down that you can overtake another person (even if they are pricks and speed up!)

None of what you said constituted a relevant reason as to why you'd need that much power. Me and my 1985 Ford Laser that's rather slow can overtake cars on the Bypass road that I mentioned earlier quite comfortably. I can overtake the person doing 80km/h even if there's someone approaching behind me doing 100km/h, and I can pull back into the left lane with plenty of time. There's no reason for power like that, no reason whatsoever. It wastes fuel, it's dangerous, it makes you look like a fucking douchebag.

The braking argument is stupid. Every 1km/h you do over 0km/h increaes braking distance! And not to mention some cars doing 100km/h can stop quicker then ones doing 80km/h due to better brakes!!!

It's far cheaper to have lower, safer speed limits than putting super brakes on cars, for the benefit of those who wish to "put pedal to the metal."

NO it is valid, I see it all the time. Fact is driving a car in general isnt easy, when you need to change lanes in lots of traffic the risk of crashing increases. For example, you have to check your blindspot, in that split second in congested traffic the car in front could brake and you hit them. Point is, the less lane changing the better. So slow drivers (I class as doing 10km/h or more under the limit) forcing others to change lanes is worse and they are a hinderence to the flow of traffic!

How damn well often do you think that ever happens? Fuck me dead you're a moron. I can think of a few cases where an accident might happen a bit more often. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few douchebags who think they know local roads better and should be free to make up their own speed limits. Yeah, I think that's a bigger risk of an accident waiting to happen then your awfully asinine ideas about "overtaking accidents", or whatever it is you're trying to put forth. If it weren't for imbeciles like yourself, perhaps the rest of us P-Platers who do obey the law, yet also don't complain about sensible speed limits, who don't see the need for cars that can get to 100km/h in 5 seconds and who drive sensibly wouldn't have to put up with the shitty stereotypes that you perpetuate. Go die. 'tard.

 

[Serius]

i treat the speedlimit like a suggestion rather than a rule. speed cameras are usually annoying but sometimes they are good, i like them because every1 slows right down. i pop into the other other lane, keep the needle on 80 or whatever and then hit the gas once ive driven over the sensors, its a really easy way to get ahead of the line.

 

[HotShot]

Guys I would recommend all of you to take professional driver safety lession. I mean professional when I say this - yeah its heaps expensive, but chances are maybe at your workplace or parent's workplace they may subsidise it, if not its definetly worth it.

Its about maybe around $200 for 1.5 hours. which isnt too bad. Often you will find these guys who run the lesson are a lot more experienced than that tards that are at the RTA or driving instructors.

They not only look at the way you drive, but they also look at the car that you drive and then make detailed report on what you could improve. The basis is on safety, so they cover everything - where is the safest place to park (like park next to BMW rather than an old bomb) - its all common sense - but you dont realise it until you have taken lesson.

The guys who take often have worked with V8 Supercars - doing licences for the drivers , so they all jargon about cars - and they probably talk lot about all that b.s. But you end up learning a lot more about the car you drive.

I would definetly recommend everyone to take this - one lesson is itself quite benefiial maybe once in two years to keep you on track. And I think we should demand the government to support this initiaive. You will definetly be more aware and more confident, be prepared when traffic conditions change or something happens.

There should be no reason for speeding. Overtaking takes only a few seconds. Slow drivers - trust me are driving slow for a reason. you dont want them to drive faster. Just overtake them its not that hard.
But saying that avoid changing lanes unless a truck is in front or a van, or a slow car or a bus or you need to turn.

Always stay in the middle lane (if there is one) its the safest place. There is nothing wrong with going 5km/h below the speed limit or on wet conditions or low visibility going even slower. But going faster - has everything wrong with it.

Go slow - you have more time to react. Go fast - less time to react and trust reactions times make a huge difference. Go fast - braking distance is longer. Go-fast and the crash itself will cause more damage.

Saying that I find it difficult to believe that a lot of you have trouble maintaining the speed limit for 50+km/h. I understand below that is a bit difficult especially if you are in an BMW or Benz.

But between 50km/h and 100 km/h you shouldnt have any problems maintaining the speed. Once you are 60 or the speed limit you look once and then maintain the acceleration with road surface. and the check speed once or twice a minute thereafter.

Plus - you have maintain a gap between you and car in front, and you will know if the driver in front is a good driver or not - justb y his braking patterns, and how fast he travels. Then if you can maintain the gap then naturally the speed will also be under controls as well.

 

[Serius]

my reaction times are pretty fast, they would have to be in the top 2%

 

[HotShot]

my reaction times are pretty fast, they would have to be in the top 2%

you might have good reaction times, but you probably wouldnt know what to do if you are in trouble. What measures to take - apart from just braking.

Everyone reactions times has a limit, human limit. So it can be improved till that limit. Practice is all that it takes.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

I've always found that it is safest for me to drive faster and get away from the idiot drivers than sit a safe stopping distance behind them.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Does that mean slow drivers?

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Does that mean slow drivers?

Not necessarily. Slow drivers are usually like this but not always. Mainly it has to do with people who are clearly not good drivers - they break randomly, can't keep a consistent speed, change lanes for no reason, generally seem lost etc.

 

[Jiga]

We're not allowed to carry a car full of people after a certain hour and in exchange a few lives are saved? FUCK ME DEAD! WHAT AN EVIL, EVIL LAW!

Well I wouldnt expect you to know.... but see if little kiddies cant take passengers, they do three other things which actually can mean less lives are 'saved' if not more people die!:

* Drive themselves, meaning MORE cars on the road at night, more crashes
* Risk it with passengers, keeping an eye out constantly for cops etc rather then focusing 100% on the road, more crashes
* Drive and need to get home, so drink drive, more crashes

What our friend was trying to say is that speeding is acceptable on local roads, because for whatever moronic reason that you've both made up, you know the roads better than the authorities. That's not the case. You lose. Stick to the speed limit and stop killing people, assholes.

The RTA is inclined to under-estimate speed limits then over-estimate for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, its safe to assume that in many cases someone who drives down a particular road every day of the week for many years can judge what speed is safer in their car compared to some RTA official checking it out over a short period of time and deciding the limit. YOU obviously missed this point idiot... and its a very valid one.

None of what you said constituted a relevant reason as to why you'd need that much power. Me and my 1985 Ford Laser that's rather slow can overtake cars on the Bypass road that I mentioned earlier quite comfortably. I can overtake the person doing 80km/h even if there's someone approaching behind me doing 100km/h, and I can pull back into the left lane with plenty of time. There's no reason for power like that, no reason whatsoever. It wastes fuel, it's dangerous, it makes you look like a fucking douchebag.

No... there is a reason, as Ive explained, you want to overtake some safely the faster you can get back onto the right side of the road the better. There are many more examples, like entering traffic and having the ability to get up to speed etc... having a fast car is not just for idiots, it has a practical purpose as well. So how the f*ck it is dangerous to have a fast car you twat I dont know! Typical dumbar*se who just spits out what he sees on TV... in many cases faster cars also have better safety, better brakes etc.... so in fact they are safer in the right hands.

It's far cheaper to have lower, safer speed limits than putting super brakes on cars, for the benefit of those who wish to "put pedal to the metal."

Yes and its far safer not to drive at all... every 1km/h over 0km/h you do increaes stopping distance! OMG! Fact is, on most roads its not that dangerous to speed, residential roads it can be stupid as kids etc and other unknown variables can cause a crash but on main roads and highways... it does hurt to go <10km/h over the limit.

How damn well often do you think that ever happens? Fuck me dead you're a moron. I can think of a few cases where an accident might happen a bit more often. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few douchebags who think they know local roads better and should be free to make up their own speed limits. Yeah, I think that's a bigger risk of an accident waiting to happen then your awfully asinine ideas about "overtaking accidents", or whatever it is you're trying to put forth. If it weren't for imbeciles like yourself, perhaps the rest of us P-Platers who do obey the law, yet also don't complain about sensible speed limits, who don't see the need for cars that can get to 100km/h in 5 seconds and who drive sensibly wouldn't have to put up with the shitty stereotypes that you perpetuate. Go die. 'tard.

Coming from the idiot who has been sterotyping anyone with a fast car as a 'hoon'. I obey the law to the same extent that 90% of people do (sorry I dont go 5km/h under the limit like you faggot)... in the time Ive been driving (2.5 years with at least 500kms+ a week travelled), Ive seen many accidents and many near accidents which had nothing to do with speeding involving fags like yourself who drive under the limit because they cant drive... or because they simply dont know the road rules. I am more scared about some idiot driving through a stop sign for example (I live near one and people go straight through it all the time, and not hoons, more lost cunts like yourself) and hitting me then someone doing 5km/h over the limit!!! You are a typical mis-guided twat, you believe the crap that is dished up by the media placing so much emphasis on speeding... when there are so many other factors that play a role in crashes.

you might have good reaction times, but you probably wouldnt know what to do if you are in trouble. What measures to take - apart from just braking.

Everyone reactions times has a limit, human limit. So it can be improved till that limit. Practice is all that it takes.

I know what measures to take and I have a prity quick reaction time (certainly faster then old people) so Im going to speed!!!

Does that mean slow drivers?

I would say yes... people like you 'Nebuchanezzar', retards who cant control their cars or dont have a clue about even the most basic of road rules.

 

[Legham]

I drive how i feel safe. No matter what the speed limit is. Whether that means 120 in a 50 zone, or 40.. In a small town like Forster it's easy to know all the roads, and therefore to know exactly what you're capable of controlling. Sure it means you have to keep an eye out for cops, but again, in a small town like Forster approaching police are very easy to spot, and when i drive with loud music blocking out all distractions i have far more than enough concentration.

And about the mobile phone debate, i have used my phone and talked at the same time a fair few times and imo it is FAR more distracting than talking to people in the car or fiddling with the air con etc.

 

[Jiga]

Here is some information on the Speeding myth, very interestin:

http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/doesspeedkillrevenuebeforesafety.pdf

Be sure to check out some of the links as well! Funnily enough many things that I have mentioned are reflected in this info

 

[Omnidragon]

Those people who drove recklessly deserve to die. Just go to hell but don't bring innocent people down with you. Frigging &&(#&(#@%s

 

[Serius]

i wouldnt say its all that reckless sometimes either. Ever been on a country road? half of them are 50 zones and they are dead straight.

 

[Legham]

Dude. please tell me you have exaggerated a bit there :/ While it is good that you drive the way that makes you safe, it would great to understand that going 120 in a 50km zone isn't particularly safe for anything else on the road.

Well, theres no roads where i live where 120 feels safe, but theres plenty where 100 or a little over is fine. And like Serius said, it's probably a very different story living out in the country rather than in the city.
There's some roads just surrounding my house that are far safer than the main road out to that big highway thing.. I don't know its proper name.. but yeah, seems pretty ridiculous..

 

[lengy]

There are some examples of people complaining about blind corners that are more dangerous than doing 150 on a dead straight road. The RTA does nothing about these. I wonder how they work out certain intersections because some are clearly more dangerous than other and if they paid more attention to these than speeding people would be better off. Poor visibility, long queues which frustrate drivers, short traffic lights, there have been so many accidents on the big intersection near me and for people who don't know it, it can be dangerous because I was nearly hit there. It wasn't speeding, the driver could have been going 40 for all I care, but they run the red light because the intersection gets clogged up and pisses people off.