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atp u should have just moved to the uk and done a levels. Then u wouldn't have to deal with this subject. Plus didn't u do accel eng, so unless ur repeating why do u care about eng
the damage has already been done. In the UK I could have just done Further Maths, Maths and physics, equivalent to Extension 2 and 1 and physics. Much better system
 

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the damage has already been done. In the UK I could have just done Further Maths, Maths and physics, equivalent to Extension 2 and 1 and physics. Much better system
bro you've got to understand that there's more to life than just maths and physics. Like it isn't the only thing in the world and sometimes u have to do things you don't want to do and things that don't align to your values and passions. But u have to put up with it which is what eng can I teach u I guess
 

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yeah I get how it's compulsory but why are we the only country that has an English syllabus like ours. Literally other countries like Singapore for example, just do comprehension and they write essays about random topics that don't require critical thinking and analysis. And literally they are fine and in some ways doing better than us. I feel like they just need to make the subject more enjoyable and less about cramming as much info as u can in 40mins. They just need to teach all this stuff in a much more tolerable way. Cause honestly eng isn't even that bad. It's just the fact that I suck and they make the subject so annoying it pmo
ayyyy sorry i saw sg mentioned and i got excited. fellow sgrean?
 

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ayyyy sorry i saw sg mentioned and i got excited. fellow sgrean?
Yessss. I feel like if I were in Singapore I would be thriving. Even tho they are harder on math I feel like I would have been fine if I had a better foundation in the earlier years and I would have been much better at math now
 

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it pmo how ppl lose marks cause they didnt explain the link of a 400 year old play to theatric colonialism well enough but then spelling punctuation and grammar isnt assessed so we have ppl who mix up their theyre and there in society and dont capitalise put apostrophes or commas and full stops
i liked this but than i realised I do the same
 

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has more value than even Mathematics Standard 2?
This idea is valid tho
I think if English is mandated some level of Math should be too because Math (like English and written expression) is a part of life tbh
 

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By the way, English being compulsory only benefits the government in one way. It attempts to indoctrinate you to favour leftwing ideals
Are you nuts. They needed 1 compulsory 2 unit subject so they can decide subject scaling. If 200 people got 99 for Aboriginal Studies and they all got around 60 for English advanced then Aboriginal studies probably isn't a hard subject so thus deserves to be scaled down. If 200 people got 70 for Physics but they all got around 95 for English advanced then Physics is a harder subject that deserves to be scaled up.
 

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Nobody cares enough for my opinion but I'm gonna give it anyways:

Did they have good intentions making English compulsory? Yes! I think it's great, in theory. Exposing people to literature, whether they like it or not, is great for provoking thought. And there's something to be gained from it!

However, I feel like it gets lost in the implementation. We have English Extension 1 & 2 for all the literary stuff, and those subjects are fantastic at their job. Advanced and Standard sort of feel...lost. We have 3 essays, and they just feel like memorisation competitions. The reflection part of Module C is intended to provoke reflection on one's own writing, but it's just regurgitated.

In an ideal world, I think the best exam would be something like Paper 1 + a hand-in component. This way it tests one essay, your critical thinking ability in short answer, as well as your ability to craft a piece (discursive, creative, essay, anything) with substantial revision. However, in this age of AI, it makes sense that this wouldn't work anymore, which is a shame - I do feel like it's the best way to test people's genuine English ability. There are plenty of people out there I know who would significantly enjoy analysing or crafting texts that they enjoy. (This was part of the reason I wanted to do English Extension 2.)

I also do think it is odd they never teach us syntax, grammar and spelling. I have read people's creatives - people who have gotten near full marks - and yet their sentence structure is...lacking. I don't mean to be rude, but genuinely, it shocks me that in a subject called English, that this flies.

I personally think that English should be mandatory but not count to your ATAR. Universities may still look at it to ensure you bypass a certain threshold depending on the subject, but I don't like that its existence punishes people who are better at other subjects, even if they're still good at English. I don't ascribe to the HSIE vs STEM debate, but it's a shame if someone getting >95 (for example) in every subject is pulled down by a 90 in English. Clearly this student is very capable, but their ATAR will not reflect their true capability.

I also agree math should be compulsory, to some extent. Genuinely, some of the things I've seen are embarrassing. I'll cite a story I heard recently: in America, they released a limited-edition burger called the Half-Pounder - double the size and double the price of a Quarter-Pounder. People complained that they were paying more for a smaller burger, because they thought 1/2 was smaller than 1/4. I think this is proof enough that people need some compulsory math.
 

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i mean even though the way they assess english in australia is really weird, it's still pretty important to have at least senior level english education. same with maths, i think they should make some sort of level of maths compulsory until year 12
This is at least agreeable. English here isn't about how well you write, it's about how cold your takes are and how safe you play it while weaving in some word fart that makes you sound cool.
 

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Are you nuts. They needed 1 compulsory 2 unit subject so they can decide subject scaling. If 200 people got 99 for Aboriginal Studies and they all got around 60 for English advanced then Aboriginal studies probably isn't a hard subject so thus deserves to be scaled down. If 200 people got 70 for Physics but they all got around 95 for English advanced then Physics is a harder subject that deserves to be scaled up.
WELL WHY THE FUCK CANT MATHS STANDARD 2 BE THE COMMON SCALE, AFTER ALL MATH STANDARD 2 HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH ADVANCED. THE SAME WAY ADVNACED ENGLISH HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH STANDARD.

Why are we using a shit useless subject as a common scale instead of maths, a subject that does correlate with intelligence?
 

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Nobody cares enough for my opinion but I'm gonna give it anyways:

Did they have good intentions making English compulsory? Yes! I think it's great, in theory. Exposing people to literature, whether they like it or not, is great for provoking thought. And there's something to be gained from it!

However, I feel like it gets lost in the implementation. We have English Extension 1 & 2 for all the literary stuff, and those subjects are fantastic at their job. Advanced and Standard sort of feel...lost. We have 3 essays, and they just feel like memorisation competitions. The reflection part of Module C is intended to provoke reflection on one's own writing, but it's just regurgitated.

In an ideal world, I think the best exam would be something like Paper 1 + a hand-in component. This way it tests one essay, your critical thinking ability in short answer, as well as your ability to craft a piece (discursive, creative, essay, anything) with substantial revision. However, in this age of AI, it makes sense that this wouldn't work anymore, which is a shame - I do feel like it's the best way to test people's genuine English ability. There are plenty of people out there I know who would significantly enjoy analysing or crafting texts that they enjoy. (This was part of the reason I wanted to do English Extension 2.)

I also do think it is odd they never teach us syntax, grammar and spelling. I have read people's creatives - people who have gotten near full marks - and yet their sentence structure is...lacking. I don't mean to be rude, but genuinely, it shocks me that in a subject called English, that this flies.

I personally think that English should be mandatory but not count to your ATAR. Universities may still look at it to ensure you bypass a certain threshold depending on the subject, but I don't like that its existence punishes people who are better at other subjects, even if they're still good at English. I don't ascribe to the HSIE vs STEM debate, but it's a shame if someone getting >95 (for example) in every subject is pulled down by a 90 in English. Clearly this student is very capable, but their ATAR will not reflect their true capability.

I also agree math should be compulsory, to some extent. Genuinely, some of the things I've seen are embarrassing. I'll cite a story I heard recently: in America, they released a limited-edition burger called the Half-Pounder - double the size and double the price of a Quarter-Pounder. People complained that they were paying more for a smaller burger, because they thought 1/2 was smaller than 1/4. I think this is proof enough that people need some compulsory math.
Btw ppl writing like shit and getting full marks is because of teacher bias. Trust, student numbers don't do shit. A teacher wrote on my paper, "(my name), you present a ..." so yeah.
 

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WELL WHY THE FUCK CANT MATHS STANDARD 2 BE THE COMMON SCALE, AFTER ALL MATH STANDARD 2 HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH ADVANCED. THE SAME WAY ADVNACED ENGLISH HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH STANDARD.

Why are we using a shit useless subject as a common scale instead of maths, a subject that does correlate with intelligence?
because that would not benefit white ppl
 

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because that would not benefit white ppl
Exactly, all this is doing is trying to limit the number of asians in australian universities. Like why are the same kind of people allowing exorbitant amounts of internationals then?
 

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WELL WHY THE FUCK CANT MATHS STANDARD 2 BE THE COMMON SCALE, AFTER ALL MATH STANDARD 2 HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH ADVANCED. THE SAME WAY ADVNACED ENGLISH HAS A COMMON COMPONENT WITH STANDARD.

Why are we using a shit useless subject as a common scale instead of maths, a subject that does correlate with intelligence?
Calm down bro in a month youโ€™ll never have to think abt this ever again if u donโ€™t want to
 

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