Family First: Their policies (1 Viewer)

[waterfowl]

Do you condone witch burning?

No of course I don't
Some people!

 

[timrie6]

No of course I don't
Some people!

Family First condones the burning of lesbians!

 

[waterfowl]

Family First condones the burning of lesbians!

Yes and Mark Latham condones the burning of homeless children...gees get a clue

 

[timrie6]

Yes and Mark Latham condones the burning of homeless children...gees get a clue

No he doesn't

 

[waterfowl]

 

[loquasagacious]

I put the christian democrats below family first.

 

[thorrnydevil]

Family First condones the burning of lesbians!

Can I see were this is stated?

 

[malkin86]

Actually you might find they don't..

"the youths had been listening to anti-gay rantings from the Family First campaigner that "lesbians are witches and should be burned to death". ...
The man has been banned from any more volunteer duties with Family First."

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10967999%5E1702,00.html

NB. Order of quotes rearranged in timeline for sense-making purposes.

 

[thorrnydevil]

so whats ff vote?

are you suggesting because they have one senate seat on a tiny % vote that they are now in touch with the electorate...?

thats like saying one nation was mainstream

Well they're obviously more in touch with the electorate than the Democrats. You cannot deny that.

So because alot of reactionaries voted for them that makes them right. So when Htiler's party go voted in it was becuase there policies were right.

CPA article of FFP

If you read that article you will notice the reall FFP is starting to show. I think throught the next 3 years we will see the really FFP emerge.

If you read the post correctly you would see that in no place I said that I agreed with Family Firsts policies. I also find it highly offensive that you would compare them to the Nazi's.

 

[thorrnydevil]

Actually you might find they don't..

"the youths had been listening to anti-gay rantings from the Family First campaigner that "lesbians are witches and should be burned to death". ...
The man has been banned from any more volunteer duties with Family First."

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10967999%5E1702,00.html

NB. Order of quotes rearranged in timeline for sense-making purposes.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[timrie6]

Can I see were this is stated?

Australia: Lesbians are Witches
The "Family First Party" in Australia appears to be a far-right political organization based around the idea that nothing is more important than the "defense" of families - and nothing is more important in the defense of families than attacks on gays.

The Greens (via Pagan Prattle) explain what happened to Greens campaigners:

"The Family First Representative, who was handing out leaflets at the same location, had announced earlier in the day that 'lesbians are witches and should be burned to death'" said Greens Candidate Howard Nielsen. A number of youths who listened at length to the rantings of the Family First representative took to their car and embarked on an abusive, egg throwing drive past the Greens campaigners.
"The extremist, bigoted policies of Family First destroys their claim to be acting within a Christian framework" said Mr Nielsen. ... "Family First's campaign, based on half truths, outright lies and extraordinary bigotry as seen in their advertising campaign, poses the question are these values you would teach your children?" said Mr Hutton.
Lesbians are witches who need to be burned to death? What a nut. I have no idea how much support Family First has in Australia, but I hope that it is small and on the way down — vile bigots like that simply don't deserve any significant political support.

(source: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/117359.htm)

Family First refuses preference swap with lesbians
October 5, 2004 - 11:53AM

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Queensland's Family First Senate candidate John Lewis today said Liberal candidate for Brisbane Ingrid Tall was not getting his party's preferences because she was a lesbian.

Mr Lewis said Ms Tall would not get his preferences because she did not fit the profile of a basic unit of family - which involved a man and a woman.

He made the comments during a heated exchange with Greens Senate candidate Drew Hutton on Brisbane radio 4BC, which he later clarified.

"People have a right of choice of lifestyle, however we are not going to support these people because we don't agree with that lifestyle," Mr Lewis said after the interview.

"We don't think that's unfair."

Mr Lewis' comments come after Family First disciplined one of its workers at Dayboro, in the marginal Brisbane seat of Dickson, for answering "yes" to a question about whether Family First supported lesbians being burned to death.

The Family First Party, backed by the Assemblies of God, also will not swap preferences with parliamentary secretary Warren Entsch, who supports gay marriage.

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Mr Hutton said the decision not to preference Dr Tall was a discriminatory, un-Christian action by Family First.

"Ingrid Tall has made no public statements on same-sex marriages or, to my knowledge, any other statements opposed to any of Family First's policies," he said.

"And yet she is not receiving preferences purely because of her sexuality."

Mr Lewis counter-attacked by accusing Mr Hutton of being an anarchist based on a number of published and publicly-available documents which refer to the Greens Senate leader as "a leading Brisbane anarchist".

"Anarchists should not stand for public office when their philosophy is to abolish government, create lawlessness, and cause political disorder," Mr Lewis said.

Family First has said it would swap preferences with Ross Cameron, the Liberal MP for Sydney-based seat of Parramatta who publicly confessed to an affair while his wife was pregnant with twins.

- AAP

(source: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/05/1096871859778.html?oneclick=true)

The Family First Party is not what it claims to be

What Family First is not telling you...

Family First is first of all an ultra-conservative fundamentalist Christian party? Are you wondering how Family First has millions of dollars to spend on TV and election advertising?

Family First has been set up as a corporation to be able to channel funds from the Assemblies of God Churches. Because of this covert structure it is also difficult to find out whether they are also receiving funds from other right-wing organisations in Australia and America or from the Howard Government.

How is Family First run?

Family First is run by seven Board members. Currently six of the seven Board members are Assemblies of God Church Members. The Australian 22 September 2004.

The Directors make all the decisions of the party without consultation from the membership.
"Each of the Family First lead Senate candidates hold high ranking or influential positions in their respective churches, all within the AOG ministry." (Colin Mullane 'Masquerade parties- the trickery of branding political parties' Australian e-journal of social and political debate, 24 September 2004)

Family First Policy Priorities:

1. The first policy priority is not to family but to "prayers in parliament."

2. The second policy position discriminates against single parent and defacto families.

3. The third policy advocates physical punishment of children.
"This responsibility involves parents in the loving discipline of their children, including affirmation, praise and, when appropriate, physical punishment - so that they grow into responsible adults. Governments should only intervene as a last resort, when a child is at serious risk of abuse."

Other policy priorities seek to ignite intolerance and regressive attitudes towards women, abortion and homosexuals.

In particular, Family First seeks to:

Pull down "Satan's strongholds". That means bottle shops, mosques, gambling places, Freemason/Hindu/Buddhist temples, and brothels.

Family First Volunteer also says lesbians should be burned to death!

(source: http://members.optushome.com.au/hark/s9ff.041007.htm)

thats just a random few articles.

This site is interesting too: http://www.howardsucks.com/ph_family_last.htm

 

[waterfowl]

They are all interesting articles, but none of them say that FF burns lesbians at the stake - that was the comment of some crazy volunteer who has now been banned!

 

[thorrnydevil]

Australia: Lesbians are Witches
The "Family First Party" in Australia appears to be a far-right political organization based around the idea that nothing is more important than the "defense" of families - and nothing is more important in the defense of families than attacks on gays.

The Greens (via Pagan Prattle) explain what happened to Greens campaigners:

"The Family First Representative, who was handing out leaflets at the same location, had announced earlier in the day that 'lesbians are witches and should be burned to death'" said Greens Candidate Howard Nielsen. A number of youths who listened at length to the rantings of the Family First representative took to their car and embarked on an abusive, egg throwing drive past the Greens campaigners.
"The extremist, bigoted policies of Family First destroys their claim to be acting within a Christian framework" said Mr Nielsen. ... "Family First's campaign, based on half truths, outright lies and extraordinary bigotry as seen in their advertising campaign, poses the question are these values you would teach your children?" said Mr Hutton.
Lesbians are witches who need to be burned to death? What a nut. I have no idea how much support Family First has in Australia, but I hope that it is small and on the way down — vile bigots like that simply don't deserve any significant political support.

(source: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/117359.htm)

Family First refuses preference swap with lesbians
October 5, 2004 - 11:53AM

Page Tools
Email to a friend Printer format
Queensland's Family First Senate candidate John Lewis today said Liberal candidate for Brisbane Ingrid Tall was not getting his party's preferences because she was a lesbian.

Mr Lewis said Ms Tall would not get his preferences because she did not fit the profile of a basic unit of family - which involved a man and a woman.

He made the comments during a heated exchange with Greens Senate candidate Drew Hutton on Brisbane radio 4BC, which he later clarified.

"People have a right of choice of lifestyle, however we are not going to support these people because we don't agree with that lifestyle," Mr Lewis said after the interview.

"We don't think that's unfair."

Mr Lewis' comments come after Family First disciplined one of its workers at Dayboro, in the marginal Brisbane seat of Dickson, for answering "yes" to a question about whether Family First supported lesbians being burned to death.

The Family First Party, backed by the Assemblies of God, also will not swap preferences with parliamentary secretary Warren Entsch, who supports gay marriage.

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Mr Hutton said the decision not to preference Dr Tall was a discriminatory, un-Christian action by Family First.

"Ingrid Tall has made no public statements on same-sex marriages or, to my knowledge, any other statements opposed to any of Family First's policies," he said.

"And yet she is not receiving preferences purely because of her sexuality."

Mr Lewis counter-attacked by accusing Mr Hutton of being an anarchist based on a number of published and publicly-available documents which refer to the Greens Senate leader as "a leading Brisbane anarchist".

"Anarchists should not stand for public office when their philosophy is to abolish government, create lawlessness, and cause political disorder," Mr Lewis said.

Family First has said it would swap preferences with Ross Cameron, the Liberal MP for Sydney-based seat of Parramatta who publicly confessed to an affair while his wife was pregnant with twins.

- AAP

(source: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/05/1096871859778.html?oneclick=true)

The Family First Party is not what it claims to be

What Family First is not telling you...

Family First is first of all an ultra-conservative fundamentalist Christian party? Are you wondering how Family First has millions of dollars to spend on TV and election advertising?

Family First has been set up as a corporation to be able to channel funds from the Assemblies of God Churches. Because of this covert structure it is also difficult to find out whether they are also receiving funds from other right-wing organisations in Australia and America or from the Howard Government.

How is Family First run?

Family First is run by seven Board members. Currently six of the seven Board members are Assemblies of God Church Members. The Australian 22 September 2004.

The Directors make all the decisions of the party without consultation from the membership.
"Each of the Family First lead Senate candidates hold high ranking or influential positions in their respective churches, all within the AOG ministry." (Colin Mullane 'Masquerade parties- the trickery of branding political parties' Australian e-journal of social and political debate, 24 September 2004)

Family First Policy Priorities:

1. The first policy priority is not to family but to "prayers in parliament."

2. The second policy position discriminates against single parent and defacto families.

3. The third policy advocates physical punishment of children.
"This responsibility involves parents in the loving discipline of their children, including affirmation, praise and, when appropriate, physical punishment - so that they grow into responsible adults. Governments should only intervene as a last resort, when a child is at serious risk of abuse."

Other policy priorities seek to ignite intolerance and regressive attitudes towards women, abortion and homosexuals.

In particular, Family First seeks to:

Pull down "Satan's strongholds". That means bottle shops, mosques, gambling places, Freemason/Hindu/Buddhist temples, and brothels.

Family First Volunteer also says lesbians should be burned to death!

(source: http://members.optushome.com.au/hark/s9ff.041007.htm)

thats just a random few articles.

This site is interesting too: http://www.howardsucks.com/ph_family_last.htm

You still haven't proven to me that they condone lesbian burnins. In fact you've done quite the opposite.

 

[timrie6]

ive proved that they are an evil homophobic cult which was my main point

 

[waterfowl]

ive proved that they are an evil homophobic cult which was my main point

That's so wrong, you are basing that on the actions of ONE individual who has since been reprimanded. Any intelligent person knows that you cannot stereotype an entire group on the actions of a renegade.

Under your "logic" - all Muslims are suicide bombing people who hate all non-Muslims;
all Germans are Jewish haters who seek world domination;
all Iraqis are American hating extremists; etc etc.
(note for any 'ill-advised' person out there I do not believe any of these, I am merely making a point of how you can not judge a group based on the actions of a minority who is operating outside of the ideals and values of that group)

 

[Generator]

From page 5 of the party's policy document...

'Family grows out of heterosexual relationships between men and women.'

timrie6 raises a very valid point.

 

[waterfowl]

ive proved that they are an evil homophobic cult which was my main point

From page 5 of the party's policy document...

'Family grows out of heterosexual relationships between men and women.'

timrie6 raises a very valid point.

That does not mean that they are evil, homophobic, or a cult. It simply means that they believe a family is defined by a husband and wife who have children together.

They cannot be a cult, because a cult is a group who are considered wrong (the Bible states that homosexual relationships are not acceptable).
They also cannot be evil, because to be evil you need to be morally wrong, and most morals are based on religion (which states homosexual relationships are wrong).

 

[thorrnydevil]

ok then...some of their supporters want to burn lesbians

OK, one of their supporters wants to burn lesbians.

ive proved that they are an evil homophobic cult which was my main point

You haven't proved anything. You proved that one person in this group has a particular belief, and that the group in question dealt with that person. Guess what? Some people in the ALP or Greens or Democrats may not like homosexuals **gasp**

That does not mean that they are evil, homophobic, or a cult. It simply means that they believe a family is defined by a husband and wife who have children together.

They cannot be a cult, because a cult is a group who are considered wrong (the Bible states that homosexual relationships are not acceptable).
They also cannot be evil, because to be evil you need to be morally wrong, and most morals are based on religion (which states homosexual relationships are wrong).

Although I don't support your group, I thought you made a very good arguement in this post.

 

[beccaxx]

personally i totally support the family first party. and whilst alot of controversy has been stirred up about their not being so "open" about being a christian party (which was a little bit confusing) im really glad that they have the balance of power in the senate now. christians arent bad, i dont understand why its so wrong that their money comes from the assemblies of God churches. in fact i dont understand whats so wrong with them being a christian party. i think it is a really good party, based on morally right principles, and started by christians. i understand now that the reason they did not openly state "we are a christian party" is becos they are not. it was begun by christians, however, it is not going to exclude a mormon or jew or watever from representing a party: if they agree with the parties policies, of creating a better culture for the family.
seriously, who doesn't want their families to be looked after, or to be better. i think it is a fantastic initiative and good luck to them in the future, they have my vote.
on the other side of this hiding policies thing tho, look at what the greens want to bring in. they are much more deceptive in what they pretend to be about versus wat they do bring about. they r the ones who want to legalise pot, have the shoot up rooms, and legalise homosexual marriages, for a start. and they say they jst want to look after the environment. so in regards to family firsts priority in parliament of prayer before attending to the family policies... the greens arent sticking to their particular policies either.

 

[Dougie]

the greens never really stick to their policies anyway. in my electorate (benelong) andrew wilkie was running against howard. i reckon the only reason wilkie was there was because he hates howard, and wants to get rid of him. i heard the green preferences were divided something like lib/lab....10%/90% respectfully. if that had happened everywhere, labour would have walked away with it.