for those concerned about the pope (1 Viewer)

[withoutaface]

how could criticism of him be constructive, he's about to die, not likely to take any suggestions on board is he?

You know what I meant, as in not just saying "the pope just generally sucked", but rather specifying why.

 

[stamos]

cause he dribbles and shit

 

[absolution*]

Oh and absolution, despite maintaining several conservative views, the Pope has also encouraged a lot of progressive stuff,

hahahahhaa

name them cunt

 

[withoutaface]

hahahahhaa

name them cunt

Supporting the big bang theory?
Assistance in removal of communism from Poland?
Being the first Pope in nearly 1300 years to visit Greece, showing a willingness to make peace with the Orthodox faith, as well as publicly apologising for any wrongs committed by the Catholic Church against them, particularly during the crusades?
Similar acknowledgements of the validity of the Church of England?
and there are many others that i frankly can't be bothered finding at the moment, although one thing i have and always will be critical of is the stance on contraception, but noone's perfect.

 

[withoutaface]

"Here is a 1996 quote from Pope John Paul II:

Today, almost half a century after the publication of [Pius XII's] Encyclical, fresh knowledge has led to the recognition that evolution is more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.

The Catholic Church also officially supports the Big Bang theory because it agrees with their theological position that time itself began at creation. By the way, when I refer to "creationists" in this pamphlet, I mean people who don't believe in standard science. The Pope certainly believes the universe was created by God, but he is not a "creationist" in this sense. "
http://www.lightandmatter.com/evolution/

 

[Korn]

"Here is a 1996 quote from Pope John Paul II:

Today, almost half a century after the publication of [Pius XII's] Encyclical, fresh knowledge has led to the recognition that evolution is more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.

The Catholic Church also officially supports the Big Bang theory because it agrees with their theological position that time itself began at creation. By the way, when I refer to "creationists" in this pamphlet, I mean people who don't believe in standard science. The Pope certainly believes the universe was created by God, but he is not a "creationist" in this sense. "
http://www.lightandmatter.com/evolution/

Yeah, Withoutaface is right

 

[Korn]

Hmm interesting. I know catholics like Mel Gibson don't support the current position of the catholic church on a number of issues.

I wonder would the next pope continue towards the 'liberal' (in a catholic context) line?

Mel Gibson is an extremist Catholic

 

[SashatheMan]

Slightly different, Jesus was God himself on Earth.

i cant believe u people believe jesus was god him self

if he ever did exist he was either

1. a liar , and people of the time were easily tricks, cuase thats how it was back then.
2. Insane
3. another dude that was ment to be a representative of god, but without proof

 

[SashatheMan]

Mel Gibson is an extremist Catholic

mel gibson , thinks that cuase he has celebrite power, he can influence his catholic beliefs on other people. He should think twice.

 

[withoutaface]

i cant believe u people believe jesus was god him self

if he ever did exist he was either

1. a liar , and people of the time were easily tricks, cuase thats how it was back then.
2. Insane
3. another dude that was ment to be a representative of god, but without proof

*sigh

The concept of the Trinity states that there are three Gods within the one God, those being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are both three and one at the same time. Jesus is God, not merely a representative of him.

 

[Lexicographer]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH this is almost as good as your obsession with tooooodulu

Toodulu? That just doesn't make sense.

waf: Technically it's three "persons" within the one God, not three gods. But yeah.

 

[hatty]

i think this pope is a good guy and has done quite a few good things, all the best to him.

as to all you dumbasses who say the pope hasnt done jack shit or his views mean nothing to you, well i bet ur parents aint done anything worth shit to the world, yet if they were dying in pain, you wouldn't want everyone else talking shit about them, so just shut the fuck up.

 

[MoonlightSonata]

i think this pope is a good guy and has done quite a few good things, all the best to him.

as to all you dumbasses who say the pope hasnt done jack shit or his views mean nothing to you, well i bet ur parents aint done anything worth shit to the world, yet if they were dying in pain, you wouldn't want everyone else talking shit about them, so just shut the fuck up.

Notwithstanding the how shall we say - 'exquisiteness' of this choice of words, I agree. I disagree with the Pope's faith, I mean I am staunchly agnostic and truly think it is the only valid position with respect to God. However, I can respect the man for his goodwill. I'm not saying his influence on the world should never be debated, but I think in the final moments of the life of a man who acted with decent intentions there ought to be some quiet dignity.

 

[SashatheMan]

*sigh

The concept of the Trinity states that there are three Gods within the one God, those being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They are both three and one at the same time. Jesus is God, not merely a representative of him.

who said jesus is god? he did ? and the bible sais so? so what thats no proof. HE could have been lieing. go to New York and i am sure yuoll find 20 gods/jesuses on the streets. That does mean they are all true.

like i said people believe too easily 2000 years ago

 

[Lexicographer]

who said jesus is god? he did ? and the bible sais so? so what thats no proof. HE could have been lieing. go to New York and i am sure yuoll find 20 gods/jesuses on the streets. That does mean they are all true.

like i said people believe too easily 2000 years ago

Though this is both novel and fascinating discussion I'm sure you could engage in a more appropriate thread. There are countless threads already on the validity of Jesus' claim to divinity. This is not one of them.

 

[withoutaface]

who said jesus is god? he did ? and the bible sais so? so what thats no proof. HE could have been lieing. go to New York and i am sure yuoll find 20 gods/jesuses on the streets. That does mean they are all true.

like i said people believe too easily 2000 years ago

Find me someone on the streets of new york who's risen after being dead for more than 24 hours and then we'll talk.

 

[Lexicographer]

Find me someone on the streets of new york who's risen after being dead for more than 24 hours and then we'll talk.

Not to mention after having his abdominal wall, right lung, pericardium and right ventricle pierced by a spear.

 

[SashatheMan]

Find me someone on the streets of new york who's risen after being dead for more than 24 hours and then we'll talk.

is there video evidence that jesus was resurrected? nope? ok


i am not gonna continue argueing about this in this tthread. so i stop

 

[happy cup]

The basis of Catholicsm is the belief that Jesus is the Saviour. If you're saying that people 2000 years ago were easily tricked then it seems to be that more than a billion Catholics 2000 years later, are still being tricked (not including the other Christian denominations who believe in Jesus). The Disciples and the early Christians were badly persecuted many times throughout history. I mean if Jesus was a man simply claiming to be God in human form without proof, I doubt so many people would have so willingly gave up their life for Him.

I mean I completely understand that it's your opinion but yeh just thought I'd say mine

As for the Pope, I hope he passes away soon so that all the suffering will stop. He was a really great pope in my opinion. Of course though he's the only Pope I've been alive to see.

 

[Panda Bear]

you can hold your views and such about things about the pope and all... no problem to that

however, having said that. the pope is a good guy. he's gone off to upstairs now

i can't see those who criticize him so strongly want what. you got more than you can handle and you're probably more or less likely in your late 18's or early 20's, saying that your experience in life is obviously somewhat lacking to those older.

your views? yes your views can be said, your views are also influenced by what you have read and how they are presented. saying that "this pope has done jack all" this lifetime.. and then going "previous popes have done better" --- which is according to what you have read in books ---- is kinda well, you get my drift.

anyway, he's gone now