gang rape retrial (3 Viewers)

[alien]

It helps not to look like a complete idiot when you are trying to make a point (ie, spell correctly, dont go on rants about the government coming to steal your computer, leave your xenophobia out etc).

Anyway, to the topic - The victim is now no longer an accuser because it has been deemed in criminal trial beyond reasonable doubt that those guys gang raped her. I dont think she should have to relive the horror of that night. Im sure they pretty comprehensively covered it in the initial trial so transcripts of that should be enough.

agreed
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[White Rabbit]

ok. ur entiltled to that. but im entitled to my opinion as well. im not saying he dosent deserve 55years. im just saying that at times and in some situations sentences are given out that are much too long. i mean they may as well just kill him. ill bet wasted emotions would get pretty psyced abt that.

Wasted Emotions has seen the effects of rape. You, clearly haven't, seeing as how you are so quick to demand second chances. And yes, this is my opinion, but my opinion, unlike yours, is backed up with facts. You say I have no idea what happened, which is true, however, you do not either. So, until you know all the facts of this case, you are in no position to be saying they did not deserve their sentence. Until you meet the victims of this crime and see how it effects their lives, what position are you in to say they shouldn't get the full force of the law? I'll admit the only reason they got such a long sentence is because of the media, but thats not to say they did not deserve it. But, they will have done to them what the did to those girls - the general prison population does not take too kindly to rapists, especially following the sensationalised stories produced by the media.

Yes, some are too long - but our justice system is not perfect. I doubt you'd find a Justice system in the world that is perfect.

Also, tattooguy is a moron - insinuating those who are raped ask for it? That they deserve it? Yes, he is a fucking moron.

 

[spin spin sugar]

so when someones opinion clashes with urs they become idiots...its his opinion..u might not agree with it, but hes entitled to say it....

no, when someones spewing psycho sexist crap and completely trivialising the effects and nature of a crime like rape, and calling it an "opinion" THEN theyre an idiot.

 

[joujou_84]

Wasted Emotions has seen the effects of rape. You, clearly haven't, seeing as how you are so quick to demand second chances. And yes, this is my opinion, but my opinion, unlike yours, is backed up with facts. You say I have no idea what happened, which is true, however, you do not either. So, until you know all the facts of this case, you are in no position to be saying they did not deserve their sentence. Until you meet the victims of this crime and see how it effects their lives, what position are you in to say they shouldn't get the full force of the law?

dont presume to know wat goes in my life.

 

[White Rabbit]

But you're able to presume what goes on in mine? It's a two way street, deal with it.

If you saw the effects of this crime, you would not be demanding second chances for rapists.

 

[joujou_84]

But you're able to presume what goes on in mine? It's a two way street, deal with it.

If you saw the effects of this crime, you would not be demanding second chances for rapists.

no...i know u know nothing about this particular situation from the way ur talking....but im not going to get into it anymore...

wat was this thread abt?? retrial...they should have their retrial...one of the jurors stuffed up and so its their right to get their retrial....thats all i have to say.

 

[spin spin sugar]

yeah, and they can have a retrial, but the fact that the victim is expected to be go over the traumatic events again is ridiculous. they should use a transcript.

 

[tattoodguy]

they should use a transcript? U have a right to face ur accusers at trial... and even at a retrial. Anyone who condowns and suports any activities that will result in more innocent ppple being sent to prison...is an absolute scum bag....worse than a rapist in my eyes.

Because thats like ur using the government to commit crimes...its bad enuff pppple commit crimes..but having the government do it............makes me sick. ie invading iraq and various other abuses of power.



As i said before alot of rape victims are sluts........... they dont deserve to be raped.......but they often contribute to it happening. And a lot of them probably lie as welll...since they are women and manipulative

Before when i was talking about treating women like dirt--- i wasnt saying its ok to rape girls..........nor was i saying..that all girls who are raped are sluts

But some who are raped are sluts

Im just against the system because it seems most ppple automatically believe the girl..and convict the guys out of sympathy.

raping is tooo over exagerated..........i can imagine..its obviously very degrading etc............but..its not as bad as killing someone....and the law shoudl reflext that...............ppple should be given second chances...alot of ppple reoffend because they are not rehabilitated...

u dont rehabilitate someone by surrounding them by voilent criminals 24 hours a day. Once again another example of the governments bull shit.



Who ever brought up that case about the woman cheating...and then getting chocked...........thatss goood shit........ its a shame the dude is sent to jail because our legal system is so skewed to protect and cater to women.

There are plenty of things that deserve a penalty besides divorce............I am all for voilence to certain women.

In america did someone seee a case or something recently........i think a cop killed a kid??????/ anyone know what happpened with that???

If any cops kill innocent ppple...the cop should be given 25 years minimum...cops are toooo aggressive, because.......... the police and government make and enforce the laws ---- and design things in a way that exempts them from reasonable responsibility.

 

[ur_inner_child]

i'd like to see some actual statistics or evidence with some of the posts typed here....

really.

please?

 

[tattoodguy]

white rabbit..i like ur patriotism towards australia etc...but on this topic u have no clue...

spin -- ur just a fucking idiot.

ozgirl whatever --- ur such a fucking feminist bitch -- u only care about women and dont give a shit about innocent ppple........women like u make me sick.

jou jou -- i think ur a leb or something ---- i hate middle easterners..but ur not tooo bad...........even when u disagreee u seeem to do so in a reasonable and respectful manner. Keeep it up.

The dude whos freind got raped- quit being such a dick head --- she passed out drunk and got raped?.........if she wastn couscious.........how did she know she got raped? ......as if that would be traumatic etc......big deal. ---- ur an arsehole anyways, ....if ur freind is anything like u .they probably deserved it.

anyone else who i forgot...............ur probably a moron tooo..

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Tattoodguy, you can't even type legible posts.. you insult us, you're arrogant and you expect us to show you some form of respect?

Shutup, your opinions are wrong.

 

[tattoodguy]

shut up im the smartest, most reasonable and moral person on here.

Ur from penrith hey? u fucking red neck, im surpised u can even use a computer -- i bet u stole it.

But seriously dude - im not wrong --- wanting a fair retrial for someone isnt wrong.

Having a justice system that spares the innocent from prison -- isnt wrong.

Encouraging ppple to question our government, police and other oppressive mechanisms in our society isnt wrong.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Wanting a fair retrial isn't wrong,
Having a justice system that spare the innocent isn't wrong,
Encouraging people to question the government, police isn't wrong.

However, most of your comments in this thread have been wrong.. Including but not limited to;
- Claiming that the girls raped were sluts, or that that matters.
- Claiming that it's POSSIBLE that these guys are INNOCENT.

 

[OZGIRL86]

shut up im the smartest, most reasonable and moral person on here.

Ur from penrith hey? u fucking red neck, im surpised u can even use a computer -- i bet u stole it.

But seriously dude - im not wrong --- wanting a fair retrial for someone isnt wrong.

Having a justice system that spares the innocent from prison -- isnt wrong.

Encouraging ppple to question our government, police and other oppressive mechanisms in our society isnt wrong.

Your the smartest, most reasonable and moral person on here?what a joke..

Where someone lives is not the issue here and has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[White Rabbit]

who cares if he lives in Penrith. Better than many other areas in Sydney...

 

[sped_kid01]

alot of ppl in here raised the question of receiving LESS time for murder?

i think rape is as great of a crime as murder, if not worse.

rape, ohhh, i couldnt be bothered to type it all...but think how someone must feel after they are raped? think of their emotions...

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I think some rapes... aren't that bad at all to be honest.

 

[Scanorama]

I think some rapes... aren't that bad at all to be honest.

Not bad at all? Are you kidding? Considering you are a male, that probably why you can make such a fuck up statement. This is one of the worst thing that can happen to a female. Their lives is traumarised and the psycholoical damage is permanet. Some of the victims, especially the younger one aren't even able to have a normal social life, they aren't able to get a boyfriend or even married because of the damage of the rape. Their lives are greatly distrubed and yet it is entirely not their fault, they didn't want it to happen, now because some selfish pricks can't get a partner and built their wish on the expanse of other people lives.

Im sorry, I found your statment is bullshit.

I agree rape is as bad as murder, if not worse. At least when someone got killed, they don't have to face the problems afterwards. But for rape victims, their problems don't go away, it stays forever and ever after the day they pass away. I hope those rapist, especially gang rapist will serve a long long time in prison, and hopefully their fellow inmates will teach them how to respect a woman.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I do believe there are some terrible rapes, however I know first hand from a family member, at a young age, on a continual basis.. that rape isn't always the worst crime...
Murder is much worse than rape, at least in most circumstances imo.

 

[withoutaface]

I would tend to agree with NTB, that in some cases rape is not as bad as people make it out to be, for example the law defines rapes so far as I know as the unconsensual penetration of any orifice with an object. If I stick a pencil up your nose, I'm sure you'll get over it

EDIT: And rape victims have the option to die or continue and try to work through problems, murder victims don't.