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For those who did part (a), how did you approach this question? Did you state that the Athenian navy was the only reason for victory, or did you say that it was tempered by other factors such as Themistocles strategies?
 

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As if you would have done A!

Part B was so much easier to elaborate on.
 

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I talked about Themistocles' naval strategies too
 

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Um, I wrote about the Battles and that fact that it aided the victory for the Greeks, but there was other factors :)
 

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For those who did part (a), how did you approach this question? Did you state that the Athenian navy was the only reason for victory, or did you say that it was tempered by other factors such as Themistocles strategies?
I basically said that the Athenian navy was an integral component in the defeat of Persia, through Artemesium, Salamis and Mycale, restricting supply lines to the Persian Army, and prevented a rapid redeployment behind Greek lines. I also said that the Athenian navy was developed and utilized to its full potential by Themistocles. However despite its naval position if the Greeks hadn't defeated the Persians in hand to hand combat then it would have been all over. Essentially the idea of combined land and sea warfare. If one fails, the other one is in big trouble.
 

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I wrote about the Athenian contribution in terms of the sheer amount of ships they supplied to the Greek fleet. I also talked about the Athenian contribution in Artemesium, Salamis and Mycale, as well as Eurybiadas and Themistokles contribution.

I also added the fact that the fleet was not the sole reason the Greeks won the Persian Wars, and added a little about how Plataea was an example of the Greek power in their land force.

And Part A was WAY easier for everyone in my year. I didn't hear of a person doing B.
 

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Was Mycale a naval battle? Wasn't it a land battle on the coastline of Mycale?
 
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I wrote about the Athenian contribution in terms of the sheer amount of ships they supplied to the Greek fleet. I also talked about the Athenian contribution in Artemesium, Salamis and Mycale, as well as Eurybiadas and Themistokles contribution.

I also added the fact that the fleet was not the sole reason the Greeks won the Persian Wars, and added a little about how Plataea was an example of the Greek power in their land force.

And Part A was WAY easier for everyone in my year. I didn't hear of a person doing B.
+1
 

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Don't worry about it, everyone forgets Mykale, so long as you nailed Salamis you're set =p

btw, if you're really interested in Salamis you should give this a read:
B. Strauss, The Battle of Salamis: The Naval Encounter That Saved Greece - and Western Civilization (2004)
 
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I mentioned how Salamis was a turning point for the Greeks. Without the Athenian fleet and the brilliant leadership of Themistocles the Greeks would've not won the battle and therefore the Athenian navy was strongly responsible for the defeat in 479 B.C.

I also said how the Spartans and other greek city states did not contribute much as they didn't have a large naval force so the Athenians were strongly responsible.

i think i still got 1400-1500 words but it was not that good.

I'll give it a read ^ thanks may cat
 

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As if you would have done A!

Part B was so much easier to elaborate on.
The question one chose probably depended on the emphasis the teacher placed on the topic. My teacher placed particular emphasis on the Persian Wars so our school cohort did A, even though B was also doable.

For A:
- Role of of Themistocles in diverting funds from Laurion to the construction of additional triremes
- strategy of keeping persians in convoluted straits offset numerical disparity**
- Themistocles sowed seeds of dissension at artemisium by leaving messages at Xerxes supply depots telling the medisers to fight badly (Herodotus)**
- Themistocles deception of Xerxes at Salamis, causing the Persians to be led into waters favorable to the Athenian navy and it's other contingents.
- overall power and strategy of the triremes

For B:
- establishment of cleruchies, uniform coinage, and movement of treasury to Athens
- Athens use of force to suppress seceding poleis (Naxos and Thasos)**
- Poleis who could not pay tribute had to plead cases in the Athenian law courts
- chalcis decree and swearing of oath's**
Etc

Both were overall doable, remember, a lot of people probs specialised...**
 

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The question one chose probably depended on the emphasis the teacher placed on the topic. My teacher placed particular emphasis on the Persian Wars so our school cohort did A, even though B was also doable.

For A:
- Role of of Themistocles in diverting funds from Laurion to the construction of additional triremes
- strategy of keeping persians in convoluted straits offset numerical disparity**
- Themistocles sowed seeds of dissension at artemisium by leaving messages at Xerxes supply depots telling the medisers to fight badly (Herodotus)**
- Themistocles deception of Xerxes at Salamis, causing the Persians to be led into waters favorable to the Athenian navy and it's other contingents.
- overall power and strategy of the triremes

For B:
- establishment of cleruchies, uniform coinage, and movement of treasury to Athens
- Athens use of force to suppress seceding poleis (Naxos and Thasos)**
- Poleis who could not pay tribute had to plead cases in the Athenian law courts
- chalcis decree and swearing of oath's**
Etc

Both were overall doable, remember, a lot of people probs specialised...**
I did exactly what you wrote for A lol :)
 

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I went the route of suggesting that though the Athenian navy were a large part of naval victory, naval victory alone did not ensure Greek victory. Also, it specified on the Athenian Navy, so I talked about how they only made up roughly half of the unified Greek fleet and went the route of assessing Themistocles' actions that endangered the fleet, and the hypothetical if the Battle of Plataea had not occurred, or wasn't as successful.

Basically the crux of my argument was that Greek unity in both combined naval and land powers defeated the persians, not one or the other, and most definitely not just a fraction of one.
 

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I wrote that the Athenian navy was the most integral part but that there were also other facotors such as leadership, tactics, unity which may also have contributed to the victory.
 

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I did part b.

It was really easy to adjust my essay about transforming the Delian League into the Athenian Empire. I just said something like: The Athenians manipulated the aims of the Delian League to mirror their own subjugating the allies to their will and their imperialistic progression.

^Something like that but better because I'm always better under pressure.
 

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My argument was how both the navy and various other factors (tactics, unity etc) were crucial to victory HOWEVER, the big mistake I think people have made is not seeing the long term effects of the Navy
IE- If the navy was absent at Artemisium, then the Persian ships would have reached Thermopylae, meaning Leonidas would have been defeated more quickly-in turn Persian land forces would be resupplied and hence not only take central Greece, they would have eliminated the 10 000 fleeing Greeks that Leonidas was delaying for.
Thus, the battle of Plataea, Mycalae and Byzantium etc would not have been possible (no troops)

Hence navy wasn't significant in each battle alone-it saved the land forces of Greece and provided future means of attacking Persia
 
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