HARRY POTTER & THE HBP - what did you think? (SPOILERS!) (1 Viewer)

[$hiftyIceQueen]

yeah i agree with that.
but has anyone observed the flaw in the plot of this book? if harry and voldemort must die at each others hands, as dumbledore observed in the prophecy, then harry can only die because of voldemort and or kill him himself. therefore, harry cannot be killed by anyone else. hence, he cannot be killed when voldemort is not around. so why did dumbledore protect him by paralysing him before snape killed him? and why haven't they realised that he is technically invincible to anyone but voldemort and hence has immense and supreme power?


though, in post script, harry may not die at the hands of anyone else but he may be sent to a fate worse than death, or captured and taken to voldemort, or be put under the imperious curse. etc.

Maybe dumbledore thought that Voldemort was also in the building? Or that the death eaters would take him to voldemort? dumbledore may have thought that nothing would happen to him while he was alone, and that if they saw Harry he may end up in danger? He probably didnt want him to be injured.

and snape was meant to be good so Dumbledore wouldnt have thought that he would kill him, and the death eaters are weak, most would be scared to hurt dumbledore

also the whole castle was filled with wizards and witches, so he may have thought that they would come before anything major happens?

im not sure if you have all seen this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter:_Book_Seven

 

[Serius]

it shouldnt matter, at that stage if my idea is right he couldnt be killed by anyone but voldy[prophesy] and voldy cant kill him till his 17th birthday[blood protection] but maybe he could be maimed, or kept prisoner until that time or something i dunno.

H-R = Hermione-Ron, H-H = Hermione-Harry.

 

[BlackDragon]

who watched the prisoner of azkaban last night? they changed it so much its not funny! and they frigging destroyed the character of Professor Trelawney and Dumbledore. dumbledore had a half american accent! and they didn't explain the plot and the history of sirius very well. and lol, FLYING DEMENTORS? they also completely changed the look of hogwarts from the previous two. - new director. they should have planned everything way more, like the lord of the rings and it would have turned out to be so much better.
i could do this forever. despite the fact that they changed everything little so much and a few big things, any harry potter movie is ok with me.

 

[The_highwayman]

i loved POA movie. You cant really get too critical about dumbledore, i mean, the first one died irl. Furthermore, the whole flying aspect of dementors just added to their eerie-ness. Plus the castle looked awesome. That film was probably the closest to how i imagined it from the book when it came to aesthetics. The first two movies look completely cliched and childish with all the big robes and pointed hats. i think the costuming in POA was much more realistic. I wasnt very convinced when columbus (director for PS and CoS) suggested that kids that lived regular lives during the summer suddenly embraced the weirdo robes etc as soon as they entered diagon alley or the train to hogwarts.

The darkness of the film and the whole motif of 'time' that continued throughout the film also added to its brilliance.

The fourth film skipped out on heaps too and changed tonnes of details. the important thing to remember with all of them is that it is clearly stated in the credits that the films are BASED on the novels, rather than being complete visual and aural reproductions

 

[BlackDragon]

yes. a version of the novels. though, in relation to the childishness of the first two. yes they were. but that is linked to the fact that j.k. has increasingly written for older ages groups as her series has progressed. the first being aimed at younger people and the most recent ones being much darker etc.

also, i know it is just version of the film, but i really wish they had've done it much more continuity and respect to the books. - done it like jackson did the lord of the rings. he did change things but it was done well and with such great visual beauty and cinematography, not to mention the fact the he dealt with the plot and characterisation so well. and i think that was the strength of his. although, the LOTR plot is about the one journey with a whole lot of off-shoots of other journeys and conflicts. where the HP plot is more like a detailed series of amazing events through which you can't tell what's going to happen. so its harder to let the wonder of the books and the great characters come through. bah, i'm done.

 

[The_highwayman]

i agree about how rowling has matured her writing as her readers have also matured but i still feel that the first two films were major let-downs when it comes to being sucked into the fantastic, magical world of harry potter. I found it easier to relate to the representations of the characters in the third film.

It's always nice to have an accurate representation of the novels into film, but sometimes the entertainment factor and the need for profit prevails and so we have the harry potter films as they are instead of how we expected they would be in light of the novels. I wouldnt call any of them particularly bad films, but i feel that the first two only just avoided crappiness due to their great plots. the two later films have not only great plots but a overall more mysterious and often eerie feel created by the other details like costuming, lighting and setting features which i think was more true to the respective novels

in any case, this is the HBP thread so i probably shouldnt be discussing movies

 

[Captain Gh3y]

If the girl you knock up is a child then...

On a more legal note, here's at least 13 previews of the OotP movie.
http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/509

I think this movie will be much better than GoF, if only because the story in the book lends itself better to making a film. As in, hopefully the film will have a plot instead of a series of flashy events.

 

[$hiftyIceQueen]

Since there isnt much to do, i thought maybe people could try to guess what JK Rowling meant by the following. And what do the following mean? If anyone here has any theories on what they mean please post them

JK Rowling said that:

1-Kreacher, the former Black Family house elf which passed to Harry's ownership with the death of Sirius Black, may make an appearance. Rowling told the filmmakers of Order of the Phoenix to include the character in the movie, because he is "very important".

2-The reason why Lord Voldemort believes that Harry Potter (rather than Neville Longbottom) fulfills the prophecy of Sybill Trelawney will be revealed. According to Dumbledore, Lord Voldemort did so for a reason that only he knows.

3-there is something "significant—even crucial" about the answer to the question of why Dumbledore had James Potter's Invisibility Cloak.

4-We will learn more about Harry's scar

5-It will be clear in this book about the meaning of that letter sent to Aunt Petunia from Dumbledore in the opening of book five. Till now, it is unknown what "remember my last" means, although Rowling addressed the question on her web site. Also, Rowling had stated that we will find out more about her in the last book.

6-We will learn something very important about Lily in book seven:
Now, the important thing about Harry's mother - the really, really significant thing - you're going to find out in two parts. You'll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you'll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you'll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven." – J. K. Rowling

7-Rowling has long said that Harry's eyes resembling his mother's is important.

8-Whether related or not, Rowling has also said that some non-magical character will perform magic late in life in desperate circumstances. However, she has also said that Aunt Petunia will not perform magic.

9-Dumbledore was seen to have a "gleam of triumph" in his eyes when told that Voldemort had restored his body using Harry's blood, at the end of Goblet of Fire (Ch. 36). Rowling has confirmed that this is "still enormously significant".

 

[Rinni]

I think there is some form of relationship between lilly and Voldermort, what it is I wouldn't have a clue. But he didn't want to kill her which seemed odd as he is evil and randomly killing wizards and muggles alike. Also that would mean that there was some form of relationship between harry and voldemort, other thatn the curse and prophecy ect.
:jaw:

 

[Captain Gh3y]

Number 1 might be because Kreacher helped Regulus (if he is RAB) retrieve the locket.

 

[$hiftyIceQueen]

I think there is some form of relationship between lilly and Voldermort, what it is I wouldn't have a clue. But he didn't want to kill her which seemed odd as he is evil and randomly killing wizards and muggles alike.

that reminds me of that fake harry potter book, which was like 400+ pages and in one of them it said that Voldemort was Lillys father :S

i was thinking about number 9 that it may have something to do with the prophecy. maybe if harry dies than voldemort automatically dies or something along those lines?

 

[BlackDragon]

Since there isnt much to do, i thought maybe people could try to guess what JK Rowling meant by the following. And what do the following mean? If anyone here has any theories on what they mean please post them

JK Rowling said that:

1-Kreacher, the former Black Family house elf which passed to Harry's ownership with the death of Sirius Black, may make an appearance. Rowling told the filmmakers of Order of the Phoenix to include the character in the movie, because he is "very important".

2-The reason why Lord Voldemort believes that Harry Potter (rather than Neville Longbottom) fulfills the prophecy of Sybill Trelawney will be revealed. According to Dumbledore, Lord Voldemort did so for a reason that only he knows.

3-there is something "significant—even crucial" about the answer to the question of why Dumbledore had James Potter's Invisibility Cloak.

4-We will learn more about Harry's scar

5-It will be clear in this book about the meaning of that letter sent to Aunt Petunia from Dumbledore in the opening of book five. Till now, it is unknown what "remember my last" means, although Rowling addressed the question on her web site. Also, Rowling had stated that we will find out more about her in the last book.

6-We will learn something very important about Lily in book seven:
Now, the important thing about Harry's mother - the really, really significant thing - you're going to find out in two parts. You'll find out a lot more about her in book five, or you'll find out something very significant about her in book five, and you'll find out something incredibly important about her in book seven." – J. K. Rowling

7-Rowling has long said that Harry's eyes resembling his mother's is important.

8-Whether related or not, Rowling has also said that some non-magical character will perform magic late in life in desperate circumstances. However, she has also said that Aunt Petunia will not perform magic.

9-Dumbledore was seen to have a "gleam of triumph" in his eyes when told that Voldemort had restored his body using Harry's blood, at the end of Goblet of Fire (Ch. 36). Rowling has confirmed that this is "still enormously significant".

in others words, there is just so bloody much going on in her books about which we have no idea and book 7 is going to be amazing in the way it brings out such depth of meaning in the previous 6.

but hmm, i can't think what we learned about lilly potter in the order of the phoenix apart from the fact that voldemort didn't want to kill her.

 

[BlackDragon]

but holy crap, my mouth is watering with anticipation and we don't even know when its released. god reading this book is going to be the best thing ever.

 

[bubz :D]

Yes, yes and yes!! I'm just sitting here hoping JKR would get a move on but of course i don't want the book to be crap so she can take as long as she wants... but argh!!

And have you guys read the mugglenet editorial on how Kreacher could've helped RAB get the horcrux? The person who wrote it must have no life... but wow.

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/editorials/edit-ladytory01.shtml

 

[BlackDragon]

i read it. god, it was long.
i didn't think rab would be regulus black, i thought it would be a new character that still has a large part to play in the book. and the long editorial said that the death eaters knew about the horcruxes, which is wrong isn't it?, because dumbledore said that they didn't know and that's why malfoys dad handed over the riddle book to ginny so easily because he didn't know what he was giving away. so i don't think regulus would have known about the horcruxe, and it would be pretty unlikely that he would be able to find out about it, where it is and go to it to investigate the enchantments and brew a replacement potion?

"would have learned the Specialis Revelio spell that shows the caster of the spell what a poisonous potion contains." i doubt a spell like that would work on the cup. it would be so well protected and anyway, there is no way he would have been able to find out about all this and where it is.

but yeah, it was interesting.

 

[The_highwayman]

i read it too. it seems pretty reasonable, except for the Specialis Revelio spell, as blackdragon mentioned.

i dont really like reading all of these editorials etc though because i'm afraid somebody will figure out the secrets and mysteries and the book will be spoiled.

 

[BlackDragon]

yeah that could happen, but most of them are just crap. i like doing the quizes of mugglenet though. - i do pretty good.

 

[BlackDragon]

haha, omg, who's seen this?

Link

 

[Rinni]

Haha that was awesome, although I really think some ppl have to mauch time on there hands lol

 

[bassqueen16]

LOL that yule ball song pwned ive been reading the hp series backwards during this lengthy holiday im about halfway through OotP :O but OH MY GAWD much excitement for July 13th yayayayayayay ootp moooooooovie