High school activism YAY! (4 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

Yeah, you name couldn't say it better.

Yea, see what you don't realise... is that is what all unoriginal geniuses say.

 

[malkin86]

Isnt this thread about high school activism. Im just finishing Year 12 now and even though it was hard in year 12... in year 11 its really all i did, and i got better marks at the same time. We made the paper a number of times, to a point were people stop me in the street, but yeh its kinda unfortunate that opportism seems to get into a lot of other campaigns. It was good with the lot i worked in coz it was what james mentioned, decided upon as a group. Anyway the main issue we kicked a stink about was the voting age, and we were asking it to be 16, and all the pollies agreed ay... Labor, Green and Socialist (Liberal refused to attend). We also had a mock ballot at school that the school endorsed and they let us leaflet, it was a catholic school. to any dudes in year 10, here, which is unlikely there are mostly 2nd year uni opportunists, who have tall poppyseed syndrome and angry at their inability to be a high school activist whinging and moaning. High school activists stand for positions and can, with the right training and education insightfully argue about social policy better then a lot of registered voters.

Goodonya for being politically active in such a sensible, non-destructive way.
Did the Libs refuse to attend, or were they engaged elsewhere?

We were gonna have a mock election campaign for year 10 history at the end of the year, but it was year 10... everyone went on holidays. We even had a slogan for our party - the Youth Organisation Union - A Vote for Us is a vote for YOU! We were permitted to put up posters and that, and the school population woulda been our constituents.

As it was a mock campaign, they would have let you leaflet for that - I imagine it woulda been different if you'd been leafleting for a particular party, which was what I was trying to put across. I recall one person trying to leaflet for the Christian Democratic Party during french class.. XP

 

[Not-That-Bright]

to any dudes in year 10, here, which is unlikely there are mostly 2nd year uni opportunists, who have tall poppyseed syndrome and angry at their inability to be a high school activist whinging and moaning.

Re-Write this sentence into something slightly legible.

 

[chubbaraff]

Sorry NTB, i screwed up the punctuation:

To any dudes in year 10, here, which is unlikely, there are mostly 2nd year uni opportunists in this thread, who have tall poppyseed syndrome and angry at their inability to be a high school activist whinging and moaning, high school activists stand for positions and can, with the right training and education insightfully argue about social policy better then a lot of registered voters, get out there and get something done.

Did the Libs refuse to attend, or were they engaged elsewhere?

We went into his electoral office with a letter inviting him and he told us he wouldnt be coming even before opening. He went to the Bulli show instead, but the point is he had no intention of coming because he couldnt defend his policies... two weeks later i reserved the right to embarass him at a public forum he decided to attend run by the church about poverty. And I asked him, why the govt spends only 5billion on bulk billing and welfare health but 6 billion annually on private subsidy which poor people cant afford to access and he was baffled.

I recall one person trying to leaflet for the Christian Democratic Party during french class.. XP

WHAT THE! They are so not Christian... I reserve the right to comment here, even though I'm an athiest at the moment, they are shoulder to shoulder with Liberal economic rationalism that hurts poor people. Did you try put a stop to it? In our election at school, Greens one by a clear margine, keeping in mind that at the time, Cunningham the federal seat was Green. (Note another function of the campaign was to try get him re-elected, even though i worked on the socialist alliance campaign, we seem to have a good relationship with greens, and stand for most of the same things.
Now that i remember also, the CDP had a public debate in wollongong mall about gay marriage, and it turned into a theological debate between leftwing green catholics and the rightwing CDP protestants or new-age christians or whatever they class themselves... it turned into... "Have you read Genesis 17 blah blah"

Raff

 

[chubbaraff]

greens won****

 

[Xayma]

greens won****

You know sometimes I wonder what that little edit button does, but if you in your great intellect can't figure it out I don't have a hope. But I better go back to my tall poppyseed syndrome life.

 

[chubbaraff]

Have a nice life preaching your pseudo-Socialist policies on a soapbox outside your nearest Centrelink.

Mybe its you guys who need to go to your nearest centrelink and preach on a soapbox.. I wouldn't know where the edit button is because I don't post often because I'm too busy working (a job), studying and running my life.

You mean after you have been indoctrinated by your teachers / local druggie/ whoever the hell?

I've exposed my political affiliation, whats yours, compassion is not a value indoctrinated, it's a value us

class A moron's

have.

Your brilliant suggestion was that the Government spend more money.

That was not my suggestion, if you had proficient comprehension skills you might realise that I was saying that private subsidy should be re-diverted to the public system, there is no "extra" money involved here.

No one wants to be a high school activist because high school was pathetic.

I'm sorry to hear it was for you, however some of us are able to make the most of what we have, help other people who have nothing, and have a good time without being a pratt.

Best wishes...

 

[withoutaface]

We went into his electoral office with a letter inviting him and he told us he wouldnt be coming even before opening. He went to the Bulli show instead, but the point is he had no intention of coming because he couldnt defend his policies... two weeks later i reserved the right to embarass him at a public forum he decided to attend run by the church about poverty. And I asked him, why the govt spends only 5billion on bulk billing and welfare health but 6 billion annually on private subsidy which poor people cant afford to access and he was baffled.

I'd say he was baffled because health is a state issue, run by Labor.

 

[malkin86]

Or that it coulda been that he didn't feel like cosying up to high school students who wouldn't vote for him if they could.

WHAT THE! They are so not Christian... I reserve the right to comment here, even though I'm an athiest at the moment, they are shoulder to shoulder with Liberal economic rationalism that hurts poor people. Did you try put a stop to it? In our election at school, Greens won by a clear margin, keeping in mind that at the time, Cunningham the federal seat was Green. (Note another function of the campaign was to try get him re-elected, even though i worked on the socialist alliance campaign, we seem to have a good relationship with greens, and stand for most of the same things.
Now that i remember also, the CDP had a public debate in wollongong mall about gay marriage, and it turned into a theological debate between leftwing green catholics and the rightwing CDP protestants or new-age christians or whatever they class themselves... it turned into... "Have you read Genesis 17 blah blah"

Raff

Whoa! It was much more of a non-event than you're thinking...

Boy shows up to french class, with his leaflets, he gives them to half of us (5/12), we read, go "WTF???" at their 'traditional Christian values', (including 'if you're a TRUE Christian, you'll vote for us') and the red white and blue colour choice of leaflet, he gets huffy, teacher comes in, confiscates all leaflets (I was a bit miffed at that.. I wanted to show it to my Christian brother for another perspective on it - he'd have had a bit of a giggle too). Teacher gives leafleteering boy 2 min lecture on distractions to the learning process, the non-political nature of public education, and please study harder at French. That was about it, really.

 

[erawamai]

I'd say he was baffled because health is a state issue, run by Labor.

Health is concurrent.

 

[chubbaraff]

I'd say he was baffled because health is a state issue, run by Labor.

I'd say he should have been up to date with Health because Medicare Plus, the last reforms (I'm pretty sure thats what it was called) and the medicare system in general are federal reponsibilities and he was running on a platform of socially irresponsible reform. Does anyone remember the Fee cap, that then was raised, and now is in even more trouble because it went billions of dollars over budget. Does anyone not recall that the electorate of Bradfield claims the most back from this subsidy when they are not entirely without need, but the least in need. My electorate claimed one of the least and the mean household income in Throsby is 400-500 Dollars.

Or that it coulda been that he didn't feel like cosying up to high school students who wouldn't vote for him if they could.

I was part of like 5 person HS delegation among 60+ wrinklies with media. He had every obligation to explain how his Medicare policy was stopping poverty at the no poverty forum which i previously explained. I mean, for me it was pretty clear that he had a disregard for the disadvantaged, but who am i to judge, I'm only a

Class A Moron

 

[poloktim]

but who am i to judge, I'm only a Class A moron.

Bitter much?

However, on topic, I don't see a point for high school activism. School is supposed to be a place where people can go and not worry about the state of the world. It was for me, at least.

As for uni, it's a breeding ground for the bleeding hearts. I don't participate in uni politics, nor am I a supporter of any political party. People seem to blindly follow their party's policies, which is somewhat scary.

 

[chubbaraff]

School is supposed to be a place where people can go and not worry about the state of the world.

If we are not learning to fix it, what are we doing?

 

[jimsim15]

After occassionally reading the responses since i first posted it is obvious that the discussion of high school activism is not really being taken up. It is however great to see that at least chubbaraff and trina care. The reason why i haven't continued responding is that i feel that this is not a productive space have any fulfulling discussion. Unsubstantiated facts, illogical and uninformend viewpionts are rampant, not not mention narrow-minded insullts that have been following around on the list. This is the first list i ever wrote on, and i thought it would have been obvious that in order to make a counter argument you have to have examples, sources (that aren't made up. eg. 60-70% of students are proVSU. Look at USYD elections 11% of the vote went to proVSU), and a logical argument. This seems to be missing.

Trina raised an interesting issue in relation to engaging in debates such as those on this list or physically going to a protest. Comments that were made to counter trina's argument were poor to say the least. Going to a protest does not mena giving un individual thought. It means acting upon a similarity in ideas and perspective to achieve change, raise awareness, etc. It is obvious that most people on this list have never been to a prtoest of a large scale as views on how they operate are incorrect. At a rally eg. VSU there are studnets who are socialists (revolutionists) and labor party members (reformists). They are not one uniformed vioce. They may agree that VSU is bad, but ideas on the action that should be taken varies. By taking physical action people are acting upon their convictions to create change. You cannot expect to facilitate change by sitting in front of a computer screen writing about issues that you have little knowledge about, and merely using the language that is used by the Liberal party without any accompanying analysis.eg. Full fees having a negative effect on poorer students.
I am therefore not against forums on the net, but rather i feel that they should go hand in hand with actually acting upon your ideas. At the end of the day fighting for rights and a more equal society is the effective way to create change. THis is shown historically, as civil liberties are not 'given' by the State, but fought for by the people. It is also shown historically that taking action on the streets is the effective. Lobbying tactics that are used by Labor i find are ineffective unless there is a grassroots campaign.
In relation to getting high school activists involved i see that this is not the best space to do so. I would love to have the time to discuss issues raised over the past weeks in greater depth and right-wing rhetoric, but i really have other things to do, namely activism at a hands on level.

 

[chubbaraff]

I couldn't agree more, Ill give the vultures half an hour to come back with more insults expect:

"You silly Trot"

"Feral"

"Communist"

and if your lucky they might also call you a

Class A Moron

As usual, endeavour and motivation is quashed by the apathetics and the ideologues

 

[poloktim]

If we are not learning to fix it, what are we doing?

Learning the basics. That's what I did in high school. One needs to learn to crawl before s/he can learn to walk.

 

[trina233]

misanthrope, , recluse, skeptic, solitarian,

Yea, see what you don't realise... is that is what all unoriginal geniuses say.

-What is that? Extremely bad grammer.

Oh ok, 'original genius', the world is so clear to me now, once you have spoken those words of intelligence. It is I , who is now diplomatically speaking to you my dear, change your fucking name. And oh dear! Am I boring? Well if am boring, here's some words to excite you:
recluse, skeptic, solitarian ,pariah, rogue, loner, autist, brooder, egotist, self-observer. These may seem like compliments to someone as conceited as you, (or shall I say 'Up- Yourself') but they are merely observations on your character.

 

[withoutaface]

-What is that? Extremely bad grammer.

Oh ok, 'original genius', the world is so clear to me now, once you have spoken those words of intelligence. It is I , who is now diplomatically speaking to you my dear, change your fucking name. And oh dear! Am I boring? Well if am boring, here's some words to excite you:
recluse, skeptic, solitarian ,pariah, rogue, loner, autist, brooder, egotist, self-observer. These may seem like compliments to someone as conceited as you, (or shall I say 'Up- Yourself') but they are merely observations on your character.

Please move on from the HSC, your year is over. You are not helping anyone going through the HSC by debating on a forum.

This is a student community, not necessarily just an "HSC forum".

After occassionally reading the responses since i first posted it is obvious that the discussion of high school activism is not really being taken up. It is however great to see that at least chubbaraff and trina care. The reason why i haven't continued responding is that i feel that this is not a productive space have any fulfulling discussion. Unsubstantiated facts, illogical and uninformend viewpionts are rampant, not not mention narrow-minded insullts that have been following around on the list. This is the first list i ever wrote on, and i thought it would have been obvious that in order to make a counter argument you have to have examples, sources (that aren't made up. eg. 60-70% of students are proVSU. Look at USYD elections 11% of the vote went to proVSU), and a logical argument. This seems to be missing.

Trina raised an interesting issue in relation to engaging in debates such as those on this list or physically going to a protest. Comments that were made to counter trina's argument were poor to say the least. Going to a protest does not mena giving un individual thought. It means acting upon a similarity in ideas and perspective to achieve change, raise awareness, etc. It is obvious that most people on this list have never been to a prtoest of a large scale as views on how they operate are incorrect. At a rally eg. VSU there are studnets who are socialists (revolutionists) and labor party members (reformists). They are not one uniformed vioce. They may agree that VSU is bad, but ideas on the action that should be taken varies. By taking physical action people are acting upon their convictions to create change. You cannot expect to facilitate change by sitting in front of a computer screen writing about issues that you have little knowledge about, and merely using the language that is used by the Liberal party without any accompanying analysis.eg. Full fees having a negative effect on poorer students.
I am therefore not against forums on the net, but rather i feel that they should go hand in hand with actually acting upon your ideas. At the end of the day fighting for rights and a more equal society is the effective way to create change. THis is shown historically, as civil liberties are not 'given' by the State, but fought for by the people. It is also shown historically that taking action on the streets is the effective. Lobbying tactics that are used by Labor i find are ineffective unless there is a grassroots campaign.
In relation to getting high school activists involved i see that this is not the best space to do so. I would love to have the time to discuss issues raised over the past weeks in greater depth and right-wing rhetoric, but i really have other things to do, namely activism at a hands on level.

But through debate you can both enhance your own world view and perhaps persuade others to vote the way you do, thereby making a passive change which in many cases can be more effective than protesting.

 

[chubbaraff]

However I dont believe debate on BOS is often conducted in a comradely manner... NTB is about the only person on the right who doesnt have a hissy fit in 50% of his posts

 

[tigerian]

One of the best thing about being a teacher is posting HSC assessment tasks on student activism days. Especially those that require students to wag class to protest.
I have now had three 2 hour in class assessment tasks due over recent years on student protest days.
Ian