Iraq's Future (2 Viewers)

[Not-That-Bright]

Now I know that alot of people were against the war and the way it's been managed, and alot of you probably don't feel that the end justifies the means.
But do most people here feel that the future for iraq and surrounding nations is looking up due to this war?

 

[absolution*]

No.asdfasdf

 

[Inscrutable]

even though iraq has been moving backwards for two decades, this war has moved it back two centuries, so simple answer = NO

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Well in my opinion while the war has been terrible, and executed badly.. it's also probably in the wrong nation, and the administration's deceit has been wrong...
It is blind to think the future for iraq isn't going to be brighter at the end of this war.

 

[Inscrutable]

It is blind to think the future for iraq isn't going to be brighter at the end of this war.

yeh a hundred years from now, and after what?
the country has lost all origin and heritage

 

[Not-That-Bright]

inscrutable, do you believe that in the year 2020 a survey of iraqi people will show they feel their lives are better or worse?

 

[absolution*]

Well in my opinion while the war has been terrible, and executed badly.. it's also probably in the wrong nation, and the administration's deceit has been wrong...
It is blind to think the future for iraq isn't going to be brighter at the end of this war.

But when will it end end end end end ....

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Of course there will always be violence, but it will be quelled to a point where people prefer their new life much more than their old.

 

[absolution*]

inscrutable, do you believe that in the year 2020 a survey of iraqi people will show they feel their lives are better or worse?

Dont ask hypotheticals. For all any of us know, the "war on terror" )) could still be going on in 2020..

 

[absolution*]

Of course there will always be violence, but it will be quelled to a point where people prefer their new life much more than their old.

Thats rich, coming from someone who is probably as far away from an "Iraqesque" mode of thinking as possible.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

I'm asking for your hypothetical view based on what's currently happening and your own knowledge/thoughts..
Do you believe you're somehow magically tuned into the mind of iraqi's to know that i'm far from their way of thinking?

edit: do you really think there's not a war on terror to be fought?
There are problems in africa, the middle east, asia, south america that need to be fixed to ensure global stability & prosperity for the people of earth. The organisations & people that are not allowing this to happen are who the war is against.
I would like to see full economic & military support from the industrialised world for this type of global fight.

 

[Inscrutable]

inscrutable, do you believe that in the year 2020 a survey of iraqi people will show they feel their lives are better or worse?

mr not that bright,
the country was going backwards in the first place, and if someone really wanted to help it, they
wouldnt go invade it
would ask for international help
wouldnt blow everything up
and then say we're helping the people and country, (we all know the bullshit)

lets go back to why the country was going backwards in the first place, U.N sanctions for over 12 years has done all the damage, not to mention the 8 year war with iran, and the gulf war, when everything in the country was blown up

and all the stupid sanctions did nothing but put the country down, and for what? 'weapons of mass destruction' where are they now?

i can sit here and type a million things but busy at the moment
as for your question, i am iraqi, so in 2020 im pretty sure i can tell you that life in iraq would actually be better before the sanctions 30 years ago

due to the war the country has lost its history, its heritage, thousands of its people, pride etc.... and most importantly its oil

 

[Not-That-Bright]

It was also an attempt by the UN to punish saddam hussein and not allow him to gain a powerful military again.
Due to the war the profits from the oil will finally go to give Iraq some stability, economic strength which actually goes to the PEOPLE. While i do acknowledge it was a war in some ways "for oil", it is more on the basis that they want to "control" the oil so that there is global stability.

 

[absolution*]

Do you believe you're somehow magically tuned into the mind of iraqi's to know that i'm far from their way of thinking?

I wasnt the one who professed to know the mind of the Iraqi's. That was you. When considering the objective truths though, i also recognise the fact that you have been brought up in a completely different culture to an Iraqi. You grew up in a Western world of consumerist greed and capitalist values and democracy, and hence assume (like the majority of the population) that this is the correct way to live. Whos to say that the disguised evils of capitalism and "democracy" are any less worse than the obvious evils of despotic rule.

Youre obviously disillusioned about the whole war. The whole point of the Iraq war espouses of Nietsche's "will to power" be eliminating the possibility of other countries gaining arms which will ultimately lead to a shift in geopolitcal power. The US wants to stay in control. They dont give a flying mcfuck about the Iraqi people. It was a second-rate objective which now seems to have become primary due to the fact that there were no nuclear arms in Iraq. When you step back from the populist way of thinking and look at things though your own eyes, as opposed to the media and government, youll realise not only the complete fallacy of war in general, but also the fallacy of the "war on terror".

 

[Inscrutable]

It was also an attempt by the UN to punish saddam hussein and not allow him to gain a powerful military again.
Due to the war the profits from the oil will finally go to give Iraq some stability, economic strength which actually goes to the PEOPLE. While i do acknowledge it was a war in some ways "for oil", it is more on the basis that they want to "control" the oil so that there is global stability.

lolz, ur always a funny one
u sound so confused
anyways im off to uni

 

[absolution*]

edit: do you really think there's not a war on terror to be fought?
There are problems in africa, the middle east, asia, south america that need to be fixed to ensure global stability & prosperity for the people of earth. The organisations & people that are not allowing this to happen are who the war is against.
I would like to see full economic & military support from the industrialised world for this type of global fight.

WHAT ARE THE US DOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT?! NOTHING!

Instead they are spending billions of dollars a DAY creating nuclear arms to gain power. Fuck me. If anyone is blind, its you buddy.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

This discussion wasn't about the "means" or the reason for war.. it was about the result absolution.
The US Cannot focus on everything at once, however i hope they do have further objectives. The rest of the world should get involved too.

 

[absolution*]

This discussion wasn't about the "means" or the reason for war.. it was about the result absolution.

Hmmm. Such a feeble response. Oh well, at least now i can go down to the 24/7 and get me some hob-nobs.
However in reply to your rather menial response, id suggest that you also seem disillusioned with the result of the war (should there be one).

 

[Korn]

Now I know that alot of people were against the war and the way it's been managed, and alot of you probably don't feel that the end justifies the means.
But do most people here feel that the future for iraq and surrounding nations is looking up due to this war?

Yes, absolutely, once they reunify the country properly and get rid of insurgents.

 

[absolution*]

The US Cannot focus on everything at once, however i hope they do have further objectives. The rest of the world should get involved too.

Yeah definately. Because complete world democracy will like make a mcfucking brady bunch wont it?
But since you mention it, what other grand objectives do you esteem youre star-spangled Jesus' to focus on in the future?