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[walrusbear]

anyways
i think australia is quite largely divided
not as extremely as the US but on the way i'd say

we're definitely following the path, especially since this present government shows no intention of initiating dialogue. we need only look at Nelson and the VSU reforms for evidence of that.
it's been a while since the government has explicitly outlined a change without manipulating public opinion and being receptive to opposition

 

[Not-That-Bright]

It didn't truely matter that she was a republican... I didn't think views on that case would be divided along ideological lines...

I guess a better example that no one will say "boo freaking hoo" to is the example of a muslim woman who gets taunted about being a terrorist and ridiculed while she shops.

 

[walrusbear]

It didn't truely matter that she was a republican... I didn't think views on that case would be divided along ideological lines...

I guess a better example that no one will say "boo freaking hoo" to is the example of a muslim woman who gets taunted about being a terrorist and ridiculed while she shops.

wtf??
those aren't comparable at all

 

[withoutaface]

wtf??
those aren't comparable at all

Person A votes Republican, they do not support the war, but support practically everything else that that party puts forward. They are then taunted for supporting the massacre of innocent Iraqis (a dubious claim even if they did support the war) and publicly humiliated.

Person B is a Muslim, they do not support the extremists, but support practically everything else in the Islam religion. They are then taunted for supporting the murder of innocent Israelis (poor spelling ahoy!) and publicly humiliated.

Sounds comparable to me...

 

[walrusbear]

Person A votes Republican, they do not support the war, but support practically everything else that that party puts forward. They are then taunted for supporting the massacre of innocent Iraqis (a dubious claim even if they did support the war) and publicly humiliated.

Person B is a Muslim, they do not support the extremists, but support practically everything else in the Islam religion. They are then taunted for supporting the murder of innocent Israelis (poor spelling ahoy!) and publicly humiliated.

Sounds comparable to me...

one votes

and one is

 

[withoutaface]

one votes

and one is

They continue to practice the religion despite its flaws. Islam is not a nationality, you have a choice.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

You choose what political beliefs you have just as much as you choose what religion you are...

 

[walrusbear]

They continue to practice the religion despite its flaws. Islam is not a nationality, you have a choice.

now that's just trite

 

[walrusbear]

You choose what political beliefs you have just as much as you choose what religion you are...

not exactly

politics and religion are rather different

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Explain how so? In terms of choice they seem basically the same... of course being born in a muslim/republican household you're more likely to turn into a muslim yourself, but at the roots of both politics and religion it's just a belief about something.

 

[walrusbear]

Explain how so? In terms of choice they seem basically the same... of course being born in a muslim/republican household you're more likely to turn into a muslim yourself, but at the roots of both politics and religion it's just a belief about something.

but they aren't by nature the same thing
politics is an opinion on how things should be
religion is a framework for spiritual needs

politics are far more malleable; designed to be argued

 

[walrusbear]

have you thought about this NTB or are you just opposing me for the sake of it??

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[Not-That-Bright]

Religion isn't just about spirituality, it has alot to do with 'how things should be'.
Picking on someone isn't arguing, that guy could have sat down with her and had a calm discussion about their views, just as a christian and a muslim can sit down and discuss their differences on how things should be done based on their religious beliefs).

Of course they're not exactly the same thing, but often politics and religion are just the different embodiments of peoples beliefs..

Example;
Person A believes that abortion is wrong, due to their religious belief, which then becomes a political belief that abortion should be outlawed.

They're all beliefs, and beliefs by their very nature are designed to be argued... there is no such thing as a belief which is never challenged.

 

[withoutaface]

They both seem to be unfairly categorising a certain group of people as ***** for their beliefs.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

What exactly is the difference between a political belief and a religious belief? If nothing, then aren't they the same?

 

[withoutaface]

Essentially the reason political beliefs are argued more than religious ones is because they have more evidence.

 

[walrusbear]

Religion isn't just about spirituality, it has alot to do with 'how things should be'.
Picking on someone isn't arguing, that guy could have sat down with her and had a calm discussion about their views, just as a christian and a muslim can sit down and discuss their differences on how things should be done based on their religious beliefs).

Of course they're not exactly the same thing, but often politics and religion are just the different embodiments of peoples beliefs..

Example;
Person A believes that abortion is wrong, due to their religious belief, which then becomes a political belief that abortion should be outlawed.

They're all beliefs, and beliefs by their very nature are designed to be argued... there is no such thing as a belief which is never challenged.

religion is more than just a system of beliefs
of course both politics and religion have some correlation; that's kinda beside the point

 

[walrusbear]

They both seem to be unfairly categorising a certain group of people as cunts for their beliefs.

a very simplistic version of it
therein lies the problem

 

[walrusbear]

What exactly is the difference between a political belief and a religious belief? If nothing, then aren't they the same?

is it worth pointing out the infinite differences?
or are you just going to point back to the same trite similarity and call them the same?

 

[spell check]

it is because the government doesn't decide on religious beliefs and the such, whereas they do decide on policies

people develop beliefs based on individual government policies which is an important aspect of democracy

and religious discrimination isn't to do with beliefs, it is to do with identity, you discriminate against someone based on their identity as a muslim or a christian or whatever, not because of what they specifically believe. same with racism, sexism etc.

you guys have nothing