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[walrusbear]

it is because the government doesn't decide on religious beliefs and the such, whereas they do decide on policies

people develop beliefs based on individual government policies which is an important aspect of democracy

and religious discrimination isn't to do with beliefs, it is to do with identity, you discriminate against someone based on their identity as a muslim or a christian or whatever, not because of what they specifically believe. same with racism, sexism etc.

you guys have nothing

religion has to do with beliefs as much as identity

doesn't change the fact that they're extremely different and that this thread is retarded

 

[mr EaZy]

but they aren't by nature the same thing
politics is an opinion on how things should be
religion is a framework for spiritual needs

politics are far more malleable; designed to be argued

i agree with withoutaface and NTB.

religons come in different forms, you cant just say " i wanna create a religon and expect people to know exactly what you mean"

religon has had an impact on many political systems around the world even our own. its just that as time went on, more formalised constitutions were drawn up as a source of reference rather than turn to societal ethics and religon to decide whether something is moral or not. religon helped implement ethics in society. The laws came in and confirmed these ethics. and later (with new technology and things like bio.....tech) laws will provide consistency in the way ethics is involved in society.

some religons have more politics than others. some concentrate on the spirit to the extremes (like Buddhism), others like Islam are completely political and spiritual. some constitutions stipulate that a particular religon (usually Islam) is the source of the law and nothing shall contradict it (depending on how strong the constitution provides for it. (my business law book has stuff on Islamic law)

so we have said that religon may or may not be politics; but politics is not religon.
politics is not law

this is what "thisnation.com" has to say in its glossary:

political party: A team of office seekers and their supporters, generally unified by a common ideology, philosophy, set of values and political beliefs, usually outlined in a party platform

so politics is about ideals and ideas (values ), there may be common assumptions too if u like- but whether or not politics is a culture, it doesnt have to be a strong one where the hidden/subliminal common assumptions are prevalent.

ill leave it there for now

 

[walrusbear]

i agree with withoutaface and NTB.

religons come in different forms, you cant just say " i wanna create a religon and expect people to know exactly what you mean"

religon has had an impact on many political systems around the world even our own. its just that as time went on, more formalised constitutions were drawn up as a source of reference rather than turn to societal ethics and religon to decide whether something is moral or not. religon helped implement ethics in society. The laws came in and confirmed these ethics. and later (with new technology and things like bio.....tech) laws will provide consistency in the way ethics is involved in society.

some religons have more politics than others. some concentrate on the spirit to the extremes (like Buddhism), others like Islam are completely political and spiritual. some constitutions stipulate that a particular religon (usually Islam) is the source of the law and nothing shall contradict it (depending on how strong the constitution provides for it. (my business law book has stuff on Islamic law)

so we have said that religon may or may not be politics; but politics is not religon.
politics is not law

this is what "thisnation.com" has to say in its glossary:

political party: A team of office seekers and their supporters, generally unified by a common ideology, philosophy, set of values and political beliefs, usually outlined in a party platform

so politics is about ideals and ideas (values ), there may be common assumptions too if u like- but whether or not politics is a culture, it doesnt have to be a strong one where the hidden/subliminal common assumptions are prevalent.

ill leave it there for now

there is of course an interrelation between politics and religion
you've pointed out there that they're different entities

you've established in a length way that they're both characterised by people unified in values. religion seems to have a far greater cultural implication
spell check pointed out the element of identity, for instance

anyways
to get this silly thread back to ground, paying out someone on basis of political beliefs is far more acceptable than on religious beliefs

 

[Rorix]

shady 03 is the worst poster on this forum.


Yeah I said it.

It needed to be said and I said it

Worse than tattoodguy.

On topic, I think you're arguing against a brick wall here NTB, many of the posters on this site (and general leftist teens) will already claim to hate a person purely on political affiliation.....how often have you seen "i hate [people just because they are] liberals" etc.? [You can see some of them in this thread] Many of these people would start shit in a supermarket if they had the confidence to do so.

No offence implied to those who are more reasonable.

I don't think anyone is trying to claim that it is legally wrong but simply that basic human morality or compassion should prevent you from inquiring as to someone's political vote based on their appearance with no previous provocation of the statement and then attempting to humiliate them. Of course her alleged response was rather :/ too.

If you're not happy with the religion comparision, is it right to see an Aboriginal begging outside Redfern station and after giving him some money saying "I hope you voted for John Howard" and if he says that he didn't, saying "I GUESS YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR OWN WELFARE CHEQUE MORE THAN THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY" and having the students walking with you burst out laughing.

SHAME THE ABORIGINALS IN PUBLIC I SAY. SHAME EM.

 

[walrusbear]

shady 03 is the worst poster on this forum.


Yeah I said it.

It needed to be said and I said it

Worse than tattoodguy.

On topic, I think you're arguing against a brick wall here NTB, many of the posters on this site (and general leftist teens) will already claim to hate a person purely on political affiliation.....how often have you seen "i hate [people just because they are] liberals" etc.? [You can see some of them in this thread] Many of these people would start shit in a supermarket if they had the confidence to do so.

No offence implied to those who are more reasonable.

I don't think anyone is trying to claim that it is legally wrong but simply that basic human morality or compassion should prevent you from inquiring as to someone's political vote based on their appearance with no previous provocation of the statement and then attempting to humiliate them. Of course her alleged response was rather :/ too.

If you're not happy with the religion comparision, is it right to see an Aboriginal begging outside Redfern station and after giving him some money saying "I hope you voted for John Howard" and if he says that he didn't, saying "I GUESS YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR OWN WELFARE CHEQUE MORE THAN THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY" and having the students walking with you burst out laughing.

SHAME THE ABORIGINALS IN PUBLIC I SAY. SHAME EM.

i don't get it? you've thrown in race instead?

anyways
is it right? not really, it was personally a nasty thing to do.
was it worth posting? arguably not. in the scheme of everything else, who gives a flying fuck?
verbal assault on the basis of political opinion isn't such a big problem and it certainly isn't levelled strictly at right wingers.
i'd personally say that this sort of thing is much worse when it's based on religion, race, sex...

people think political beliefs are on that same level?

 

[spell check]

even with religion, criticising someone based on a belief such as believing that jesus was the son of god or something would be more acceptable than just discriminating against someone due to their identity as a christian

bad example in our society i guess

but most religious discrimination is to do with identity, not the actual beliefs.

so with politics, you aren't criticising someone based on their identity if you say 'you're stupid for thinking there should be completely free trade' or whatever. it is a legitimate topic of debate that effects government policy in a democracy.

 

[Benny_]

What draws a conservative like you to a forum like democratic underground NTB? Some sort of morbid fascination with what the far left get up to amongst themselves?

Anyway I think it was a pretty immature thing for the guy to do, but it's not really that big of a deal either. One democrat insulting one republican in a grocery store is hardly a thing to get pissed off about.

 

[withoutaface]

What draws a conservative like you to a forum like democratic underground NTB? Some sort of morbid fascination with what the far left get up to amongst themselves?

Anyway I think it was a pretty immature thing for the guy to do, but it's not really that big of a deal either. One democrat insulting one republican in a grocery store is hardly a thing to get pissed off about.

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

 

[Rorix]

i don't get it? you've thrown in race instead?

No I've added to the whole 'book by its cover' thing.

 

[walrusbear]

No I've added to the whole 'book by its cover' thing.

fair enough

do you think there is a distinction to be made between NTBs example as oppose to the 'cover' being religion or race?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

What draws a conservative like you to a forum like democratic underground NTB? Some sort of morbid fascination with what the far left get up to amongst themselves?

Anyway I think it was a pretty immature thing for the guy to do, but it's not really that big of a deal either. One democrat insulting one republican in a grocery store is hardly a thing to get pissed off about.

I suggest you read the replies (alot of them got deleted) of many people supporting that guy, then going even further... doing basically anything they can to be rude/abnoxious.

Why exactly shouldn't I go there? I'm intereted in american politics and freerepublic and democratic underground are the biggest places to go to =/