Israel–Gaza conflict (2 Viewers)

[aki117]

Hmm you seem to ignore developments, in world law, society, and over all social and world conciousness that make the two situations different. At anyrate, australia acknowledges this land to belong to aboriginies, and that they share it, dont think Israel is sharing, nor recognising. Big difference my man.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

Hahahahahahahahaha.

You don't think that Israel's standing and reputation is tarnished in the international community? It is. Oh my, it is. When you have countries critisising Israel more than they criticise an acknowledged terror organisation, their reputation is in pieces.

 

[CIV1501]

Neb have you ever noticed how many dirty arab islams there are in your AIL??

 

[IRC-Supporter]

You don't think that Israel's standing and reputation is tarnished in the international community? It is. Oh my, it is. When you have countries critisising Israel more than they criticise an acknowledged terror organisation, their reputation is in pieces.

Assuming they had a good reputation in the first place...Robbing people of their country and killing them in their greedy rampage was never a good start. Until America no longer remains the world superpower, which given the current situation looks very near, the world will not be scared of speaking the truth anymore and rendering America's influence useless.:jaw:

 

[IRC-Supporter]

I want to say to John Oliver:

Unconditional power is not everlasting but the grudge of innocent blood is.

 

[IRC-Supporter]

I believe that politics is just a smoke screen. Any war generates huge sums of money for a very small number of people. As the US government ultimately is controlled by the private owners of the Federal Reserve, and the same private financiers are behind the financing of the Israeli war machine through the US government, maybe the best way to stop the war is to freeze the assets of the parties involved! If nobody is going to make money out of it then there would be no war. The people behind this war have no conscience and won't feel the pain the rest of the world feels each time a soul is lost in Gaza. I fear that what is happening in Gaza is only the beginning of what is ultimately destined to be a war in the whole of the Middle East, paticularly if Israel is able to provoke Iran into reacting. Unity of the whole world is the only way forward, not politically, but by joining together in a desire for world peace and harmony. Freedom and freedom of thought are basic human rights.

 

[IRC-Supporter]

It is sad to think that 1000 Palestinians must pay the price for Israeli politicians pathetic electoral agenda.

 

[4theHSC]

Hamas agrees to Gaza truce, Israel reply awaited: official | World Breaking News | News.com.au

My heartfelt congratulations to Israel for winning the war against Terrorist, for the 2nd time (1st was against Hizbollah terrorists in 2006) and to all the innocents who died i extend my condolences.

huh? I thought Isreal lost against Hizbollah?

by the way John Oliver I do have evidence to what I'm saying; Voices - Anti-Zionist Jews condemn Gaza massacres

Australian Jews slam Gaza invasion as ‘abominable’ | Antony Loewenstein

 

[IRC-Supporter]

The way I see it the criticisms are about as equal to your mates at the SA calling Howard a warmongerer.

They have that much of an impact. World opinion really hasn't changed all that much. The Arabs still hate Israel, their governments still do fuck all about it and the US still urges them on.

The UN has always had this great thing against Israel, none of it is really all that new.

You pretend to know everything yet you don't, did you forget that it was the UN who created Israel?

 

[IRC-Supporter]

On April 10, 2006, a British inquest jury at St Pancras coroner's court in London found that Hurndall had been "intentionally killed". Hurndall's father told reporters that there had been a "general policy" to shoot civilians in the area without fear of reprisals,[2] as stated by the soldier who fired the shot, Taysir Hayb. Hayb had earlier told a military tribunal that the Israeli army "fires freely in Rafah."[9] The lawyer representing the family, Michael Mansfield QC, stated: "Make no mistake about it, the Israeli defence force have today been found culpable by this jury of murder." A week earlier, an inquest found that the British journalist James Miller had been killed by an Israeli soldier just three weeks after Mr Hurndall was shot, a mile away from Hurndall's position. The coroner Dr. Andrew Reid stated that he would write to the attorney general about how similar incidences could be prevented, including the possible prosecutions of Israeli commanders, and that the case raised issues of command within the IDF. He stated that "two British citizens engaged in lawful activities" had been killed by Israeli soldiers, and that "British citizens, journalists, photographers or others may be subject to the risk of fatal shots."[10]

 

[IRC-Supporter]

A blinding flash of white light
Lit up the sky over Gaza tonight
People running for cover
Not knowing whether they're dead or alive

They came with their tanks and their planes
With ravaging fiery flames
And nothing remains
Just a voice rising up in the smoky haze

We will not go down
In the night, without a fight
You can burn up our mosques and our homes and our schools
But our spirit will never die
We will not go down
In Gaza tonight

 

[JaredR]

Following the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah conflict, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah stated "Had we known that the kidnapping of the soldiers would lead to this we would definitely not have done it"

May Hamas soon realise that

"Had we known that rocketing Israel relentlessly would lead to this we would definitely not have done it".

 

[JaredR]

Rabbi Ritchie Moss in this weeks Australian Jewish News wrote:

"For Hamas war is holy. For Israel, war can never be holy. War may be necessary, like when your citizens are being attacked unprovoked; war may be moral, like when innocent lives are threatened; but even then, war is never holy.

There is a world of difference between a moral war and a holy war. A moral soldier fights reluctantly, while holy warriors glory in the fight. A moral soldier is burdened by the obligation, while holy warriours delight in the pain inflicted on the enemy. A moral soldier fights when there is no other option; a holy warrior seeks violence as a way of life. A moral soldier takes measures to limit casualties; a holy warrior seeks to maximise them.

A holy warrior fears times of peace, because then he has no purpose. A moral soldier dreams of a time when peace will reign."

 

[IRC-Supporter]

The US created Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, what's your point? They also paved the way for the shah to return in Iran.

We have this thing that exists called 'time' it travels at one second per second and it tends to change things.

Yes, I do know a lot more than you do.

clearly........

 

[IRC-Supporter]

Rabbi Ritchie Moss in this weeks Australian Jewish News wrote:

Quote: "Necessity is the mother of all inventions."

In other words the purpose of having a holy warrior in the first only came 60 years ago, when the land of Palestinians was stolen. Whilst peace among both people is in today's conext is the best option, you cannot drive away emotions of having ones land and very existence as "someone" be taken away from them without resistance.

Remember that occupation came before resistance, as one other member, which i forget who, used to quote.

 

[JaredR]

Then perhaps, IRC you should remember that Judaism came before Islam and the Israelites came before Palestinians.

I mean really if you want to play that silly game.

 

[Arabique]

Then perhaps, IRC you should remember that Judaism came before Islam and the Israelites came before Palestinians.

I mean really if you want to play that silly game.

Oh dude it's simple:

Get your Jewish people off Palestinian land!

They can maybe go back to Europe where they learnt how to treat humans in such a disgraceful manner.

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

A moral soldier fights reluctantly

Yeah Israel was so reluctant to bomb the living fuck out of Gaza wasn't it?

Conclusion: Israel is about as moral as a pedophile cheese farmer

 

[MaNiElla]

Israelis 'shot at fleeing Gazans'


Claims have been received by the BBC and an Israeli human rights group that Israeli troops have fired on Gaza residents trying to escape the conflict area. Israel has strongly denied the allegations.
BBC journalists in Gaza and Israel have compiled detailed accounts of the claims.
Some Palestinian civilians in Gaza say Israeli forces shot at them as they tried to leave their homes - in some cases bearing white flags.
One testimony heard by the BBC and human rights group B'tselem describes Israeli forces shooting a woman in the head after she stepped out of her house carrying a piece of white cloth, in response to an Israeli loudhailer announcement.
The Israeli military has dismissed the report as "without foundation".
The BBC has spoken to members of another family who say they are trapped in their home by fighting and have been shot at when they tried to leave to replenish dwindling water and food supplies, even during the three-hour humanitarian lull.
Israel is denying access to Gaza for international journalists and human rights monitors, so it is not possible to verify the accounts.
B'tselem said it had been unable to corroborate the testimony it had received, but felt it should be made public.
'Home destroyed'
Munir Shafik al-Najar, of Khouza village in the south-east of the Gaza Strip, told B'tselem and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) of a series of events on Monday which he said left four members of his extended family dead.
He told the BBC that some 75 members of his extended family had ended up huddled in a house, surrounded by Israeli forces, after troops shelled the area and destroyed his brother's home on Sunday night.
On Monday morning, he said the family heard an announcement over a loudspeaker.
"The Israeli army was saying: 'This is the Israeli Defence Forces, we are asking all the people to leave their homes and go to the school. Ladies first, then men.'
"We decided to send the women first, two by two," he said.
First to step outside was the wife of his cousin, Rawhiya al-Najar, 48.
"The army was about 15 metres (50 feet) away from the house or less. They shot her in the head," he said.
The woman's daughter was shot in the thigh but crawled back inside the house, he said.

For several hours, the family telephoned the Red Crescent, human rights organisations and Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah in the hope of co-ordinating safe passage to evacuate people injured in the earlier shelling, Mr Najar said.
Several hours later, no help had arrived.
"We decided that's it, we're going to die, we are [going] to run and all die at once," he said.
"When we did that they started shooting with heavy ammunition from a machine gun on top of a tank," he said.
All the adults carried white flags, he said, adding that he was still grasping a piece of white cloth as he spoke over the telephone a day later.
Three of his relatives, Muhammad Salman al-Najar, 54, Ahmad Jum'a al-Najar, 27, and Khalil Hamdan al-Najar, 80, were killed, he said.
The troops "knew this man was an old man," he said, because they were so close.
B'tselem says it is working to corroborate the account.
Similar account
A second family member, Riad Zaki al-Najar, gave the BBC a similar account by telephone.
"They told us you all have to go to the centre of the town, where the school is.
"We put the women first, and we put our children on our shoulders, with white bandanas on their heads.
"When we were walking, with the women first, they saw soldiers and they started to shout to them, to tell them 'we have children, we have children'. They started to shoot us. My aunt was killed with a bullet in her head."

The BBC also spoke to Marwan Abu Rida, a paramedic with the Palestinian Red Crescent, who says he was called to the site at 0810 local time (0610 GMT).
But he says he came under fire as he tried to reach it, and was trapped in a house nearby until 2000 (1800 GMT) because of Israeli shooting.
He said that when he reached the location he found the dead woman, Rawhiya, who appeared to have been shot in the head, as well as the younger woman who was injured.
In a written response to the incident, the Israeli military said: "An initial inquiry into the allegation raised by B'tselem has concluded that the claims are without foundation.
"The IDF goes to great lengths to avoid harming Palestinians uninvolved in combat and reiterates that it is Hamas that chooses to launch its attacks against Israeli towns from within civilian areas."
'Fired upon'
The account bears similarities to another received by B'tselem, from Yusef Abu Hajaj, a resident of Juhar al-Dik, south of Gaza City.
He told B'tselem his mother and sister were shot as they tried to flee their home bearing a white banner, in a group of people including small children.
He said an Israeli tank had fired at their house, and they had heard the Israeli military was urging civilians to leave their homes, so had tried to flee.
The ICRC has repeatedly stressed that it is having difficulty reaching families stranded by the fighting, often including injured people and dead bodies.
Its Gaza spokesman, Iyad Nasser, said ambulance crews were struggling to respond to "tens" of calls from areas they still had not gained sufficient access to.
The head of one such family, Daoud Shtewi, told the BBC by telephone that he and 35 members of his family had been trapped in their home, surrounded by Israeli forces, in Zeitoun, a south-eastern suburb of Gaza City, for 10 days.

"We can't even look through the windows because we get fired on," Mr Shtewi said.
"We tried to get water from the neighbours because our tanks are running dry. We are also running out of food and have been without electricity for more than 12 days.
"My mother and father need medicines for high blood pressure and diabetes. We have run out."
The area, known to house Palestinian militants, has been the scene of some of the heaviest clashes during Israel's operation in Gaza.
It is one of several that Palestinian Red Crescent convoys have been struggling to reach.
Three-hour ceasefire
It was also the place where the ICRC said it found four small children who had waited with their dead mothers, apparently with no food or water, for four days last week.
Mr Shtewi said 17 children - aged between six weeks and 15 years, and six women, were in the house in the west of the neighbourhood.
"We have tried to leave the house during the three-hour humanitarian ceasefire, but we got shot at," he said.
He said the family had repeatedly tried to contact the PRC.

An ambulance driver with the PRC told the BBC he had received details of a family of 35 people in the location concerned.
But he said it was a closed military zone, that the ambulance workers had not been able to secure co-ordination with the Israeli military to reach it, and were planning to go there as soon as they could secure safe passage with the military.
Israeli military spokesman Jacob Dallal said Hamas was launching rockets from the area in question, and was using civilians' houses - "exactly these types of homes" - to fire rockets from.
"Especially people who try to move out, those could well be - as they have repeatedly been - Hamas people trying to sneak up and fire on the soldiers. If you look from the soldiers' perspective it's exceptionally difficult - you don't know who's behind that door."
He said that Hamas "specifically uses the lull as a time to fire", and Israeli forces fire back if they are fired upon during that period.
And he added that the military was working with international agencies to try to facilitate safe passage for ambulances and the transport of aid amid the fighting.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israelis 'shot at fleeing Gazans'

 

[MaNiElla]

Over 1000 dead now, and over a third of them are little children





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