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Should we buy the JSF F-35

  • Yes, they are a good replacement for the F-111 and FA-18

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • No, they arnt capable enough

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • No I hate war

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • We should hold out for the F-22 Raptors

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • We should buy a limited # along with other fighters

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Fighters are unnecessary in todays warfare

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • We should purchase Russian Fighters

    Votes: 4 23.5%

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Aznpsycho

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The F/A-22 is easily the most powerful jet fighter in the whole world. This should give you an idea of how powerful the thing is:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1559921

Anyhoo, the F/A-22 would be most likely useless. There are a few possible regional threats (Indonesia, China), but they are unlikely to attack Australia, as they depend too much on Australian business, and Australia's relationship with the US and NZ would discourage anyany conventional attack, as the nation with the largest economy and most effective military is our strong ally. Even if we got the F/A-22's, what can we use them on? This thing is designed to shoot down other planes, and you're not going to use an F/A-22 on a bunch of gunmen hiding inside a run-down shack. A fighter/bomber like the JSF would be alot more effective. So are Helicopter Gunships, but we already have Black Hawks.

The F/A-22s are also incredibly expensive and, for the simple reason that they are so complex. The JSF is cheaper, and is more flexible. Australia is not a country to do something by itself, especially in military terms (since when have Australian troops invaded without request?), so we can offer support weaponry at the most.

Still, I'd say diplomacy and economic aid is a much better way of getting rid of potential threats (Japan post-WW2 as case in point). This would have the dual roles of creating stability for 'rogue' states, and creating better relations between the countries. Of course, that's appeasement, but having a carrot as well as a stick usually solves that issue.
 

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The Bone's are however an excellent bomber and fill an important niche left largely empty by the departing F-111. Besides which I'm not sure where wikipedia got the costing (possibly by dividing devlopement and maunfactur costs by number made?) however it is likely that we could get some cheap ones off the US.
 

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addymac said:
The Bone's are however an excellent bomber and fill an important niche left largely empty by the departing F-111. Besides which I'm not sure where wikipedia got the costing (possibly by dividing devlopement and maunfactur costs by number made?) however it is likely that we could get some cheap ones off the US.
US have got some sitting round doing nothing haven't they?
 

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Australia should focus on defensive and peacekeeping roles. It'd be better for us to focus primarily on counter-terrorism units and special operations units. We'd need quick deployment armoured amphibious vehicles which could be transported by air and sea. Our population is inadequate to provide a large scale strike force so we should fund the units which would be best at defending our nation so that our Allies may assist us.

If Australia is ever to have a military large enough to support an attack force we'd need a bigger population. Army Reserve advertisements are useless if there is no demographic able to satisfy our military needs. I suggest a huge advertising campaign like that of China supporting sex and 'children are our nation's future' promotions. :p
 

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transcendent said:
Australia should focus on defensive and peacekeeping roles. It'd be better for us to focus primarily on counter-terrorism units and special operations units. We'd need quick deployment armoured amphibious vehicles which could be transported by air and sea. Our population is inadequate to provide a large scale strike force so we should fund the units which would be best at defending our nation so that our Allies may assist us.

If Australia is ever to have a military large enough to support an attack force we'd need a bigger population. Army Reserve advertisements are useless if there is no demographic able to satisfy our military needs. I suggest a huge advertising campaign like that of China supporting sex and 'children are our nation's future' promotions. :p
Will require women to want more unprotected sex and kids.
Are women willing to spread legs for this country's future?
 

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We need affirmative action to make sure 50% of those on the front line are women. Otherwise they're not fairly represented :(
 

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withoutaface said:
We need affirmative action to make sure 50% of those on the front line are women. Otherwise they're not fairly represented :(
But we wont produce more soliders unless they are giving birth, men cant bear children
 

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withoutaface said:
Next time you see an F/A-22 hovering in midair give us a yell. The F/A-22 is designed to be an (incredibly expensive) air superiority fighter with a limited amount of strike capability, whereas the JSF has to fulfill a large range of roles, and we can't afford to be shelling out 100-150mil (can't remember, might have even been higher than that) per aeroplane. We can't buy planes from Russia because selling them to countries in the West would defeat the purpose of trying to create superior aircraft to defeat the aircraft of the West.
Also America doesn't like selling F-22's.
 

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Why not just install AA batteries and spotlights around important infrastructure and forget about an airforce? That way, we have no reason to take part in any US-led wars purely because we have no air power.
 

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That has got to be one of the stupidest ideas i have ever heard in my whole life...
 

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leetom said:
Why not just install AA batteries and spotlights around important infrastructure and forget about an airforce? That way, we have no reason to take part in any US-led wars purely because we have no air power.
Since the obvious use of Australian airpower in many conflicts such as Vietnam, Desert Storm etc, clearly indicates that would be so.
 

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lol AA batteries,
saddam's AA batteries worked a treat eh@!

i never knew aussie fighters were in desert storm!

and what kind of russian fighters are we looking for? MIGs? they all seem pretty outdated to me. how about them french mirages or why dont we invest in designing new models.

the americans gain heaps of money from the sale of arms - not surprising- but thats also because their politicians all have stakes in the companies like lockehead martin and boeing(?).

and there's no probs with switching over to the russians for air planes or vice versa. i read a boeing newsletter that talked about a sale of longbow apaches to Egypt - which as far as i know , was backed up by the soviets long time ago. and saddam used to buy arms from both the wests and the communists !
 

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Australia will never design and build a fighter plane too expensive.
 

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the joint striker fighter is cool, well, all the variations...by the time we get them, they'll be what...5-10 years old?
 

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