Kyoto is a waste of money... (1 Viewer)

[Not-That-Bright]

No, people in third world countries don't give a crap about 'ecological sustainable development' they just wanna live, if it ment killing a bunch of crappy animals they would.

It is alot of money... and yes you finally get my point, the kyoto project is countries investing their money in the wrong place. $150 billion a year of the worlds economy for 100 years in order to delay global warming by 6 years..... at which point global warming will begin to cost the world $500 billion/year.

$150 billion a year for the next 100 years could probably put a stop to major famine, disease throughout the 3rd world...

 

[Cape]

They say in MIGHT pospone global warming for 6 years ... you never know that if we change the way which we live now and sign the koyoto agreement, then the effect of global warming will be not as great as was predicted.

Everything was living fine on this earth until we came along ... we destroyed the delicate balance which this world relys on.

 

[joujou_84]

They say in MIGHT pospone global warming for 6 years ... you never know that if we change the way which we live now and sign the koyoto agreement, then the effect of global warming will be not as great as was predicted.

Everything was living fine on this earth until we came along ... we destroyed the delicate balance which this world relys on.

if if if..........What if we spend this much money and nothing changes.....which it probably wont....too much money to be spending on if's....

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Are you forgetting the ice age?
Basically i trust the copenhagen commissions advice....

 

[mr EaZy]

hehe, my geography teacher, (i think -coz i wasnt paying much attention) thinks the ice age will come again (in cycles) - the planet will be revived and cleansed once again

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The planet has always gone through cycles of hot and cold... Due to us having a nuclear core..

I think these days man kind has enough to go on pretty unhindered no matter what the climate becomes...

 

[joujou_84]

hehe, my geography teacher, (i think -coz i wasnt paying much attention) thinks the ice age will come again (in cycles) - the planet will be revived and cleansed once again

well thank god ill be dead..........let the rest suffer.........mwahahahhahahahhah......

*ahem*....

 

[mr EaZy]

The planet has always gone through cycles of hot and cold... Due to us having a nuclear core..

I think these days man kind has enough to go on pretty unhindered no matter what the climate becomes...

but after all we've done to the planet, what if we disrupt the cycle
uh- oh !

 

[hiphophorray123]

yeh fuck the future lets just concentrate on the short term economy....go bush!

 

[joujou_84]

its a simple solution...........we'll just become eskimos

 

[Not-That-Bright]

WTF still worry about the future all i'm saying is that the kyoto protocol is fuckn stupid.
At best it will delay global warming by 6 years... It's gunna fuckn happen, meanwhile we could be looking after these poor nations WHILE THEY'RE STILL POOR, stoping people from dying.

 

[loquasagacious]

I think Not-So-Bright's suggestion is laudable in that he does suggest other worthwhile uses for the money however:

Kyoto is the first step in a long path, in that after kyoto there will be more policies and resource use and emission declining proposals, it cant be condemmed because it does not do enough, it begins the process of doing enough.

Maybe you meant to say the cost was in trillions not billions because the numbers you quote are actuley quite small (as far as world economics go). Hence it is fairly cheap to engage in the kyoto protocol, especially as the cost is distributed.

 

[Cape]

And i suppose that u can come up with a better soloution to stop famine and war whilst letting stupid crappy america produce so much crap polluting the atmosphere and spending their money on unless weapons!

The country that it is gonna cost the most is america - but i'm sure that they can afford to spend a little to save the environment.They have enough money to.

And for the cycles - yes it does happen ... but if we cause too much damage to the atmosphere causing a rapid increase in the time when global warming starts ... wouldn't it disrupt the cycle and the ice age would change or not come at all.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The cost is distributed basically amungst the industrialised nations... the numbers are predicted as between $150 billion and $300 billion and after global warming it's predicted it will cost the world between $500-$800 billion a year to pay for it....

You can't do too much better beyond kyoto... it's asking the industrialised nations to cut emissions by 30%.. basically not even that will be done.. no way.

Global warming is something that will happen, there is currently no cost efficient way to stop climate shift there is however cost effective ways to end famine & disease..

Edit: My solution would be focusing on developing these nations now... solving the problems of famine and disease... so that in the year 2100 they CAN look after themselves.

 

[Cape]

Country's don't have to drop by 30% ... countries drop depending on the amount of emissions that they produce - this is why Australia is allowed to rise by a couple of percent.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The idea is to drop global emissions by 30%
Trust me there is no solution that will solve the problem of climate change... at least that will be acceptable.. The kyoto protocol is just a little band aid, and an expensive one at that.

The money would be better spent on solving these developing nations OTHER problems so that they have better infrastructure for any problems they may face in the future.

 

[Cape]

We won't have a sustainble future if we don't do something!

 

[hatty]

who gives a shit if the seas rise. anyone ever watched waterworld? we'll all have our own ships going around, that money should be used to make ships

 

[Cape]

ever watched the day after tomorrow???

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Why not spend money developing lasers to destroy commets?

Seriously we have to have priorities.... life will get a little harder but overall the worlds economy will be able to pay for global warming quite easily, most developing countries will be AT LEAST as developed as we are now..

Meanwhile since we don't wanna spend that money on these developing countries NOW and do them ALOT of good we're gunna wait 100 years, spend a shitload to give them an extra 6 years.

edit: Day after tomorrow is very exaggerated and also lets not forget fiction.... and either way if that's going to happen it's going to happen... the kyoto protocol won't stop it if that's our destiny it will only delay it.

You ever seen a film about the people of somalia? You think they'd rather some food now... or $150 billion a year spent to give them 6 more years of the same before they're hit with global warming anyway?