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Only the case for (-1,0) but the whole question is again given (with a previous part)

You must be doing math1151 too?? haha I got stuck on this for a bit too. I just used a GP summation



since we're not considering this when x=1. then the top is negative, and so is the bottom! so when you divide it it's positive.

Of course it would work for basically all the cases except x=1 where you would have to sub it in the original. it's just 5 which is positive anyway :)


EDIT: woops just saw it was already done by integrand, pls ignore
 
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And the relationship between these conditions and invertibility:

A function is f is surjective <=> it has a right inverse.

A function f is injective <=> it has a left inverse.

And a function f is bijective iff it is invertible.
 

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Lol thanks everyone. I ended up doing this:

Let x=-b, 0<b<1
RTP:1-b+b^2-b^3+b^4

1>b implies 1-b>0
b>0 allows multiplying by b^3: b^4-b^3>0
b>0 also implies b^2>0
Sum them up.
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Getting confused with what I learnt. Someone please break down surjective functions for me, and injective just means one-to-one both x and y (therefore inverse function exists for the maximum domain) right?
Injective: For every value of x in the domain, there exists one unique corresponding value for y in the codomain.

Surjective: For every value of y in the codomain, there exists at least one corresponding value of x in the domain.
 

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Oh cool. Reading both of your definitions cleared it up for me much more. Thanks again!

You must be doing math1151 too??
Lol just to clear that up, look at my sig
 

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Useless post in my own thread: Lol I feel so dumb at maths now.
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Notation question:

 
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More stupid questions... I should just chill with the maths for tonight but.

1. How would I prove that a function is injective and surjective? Trying to prove that f(x)=x^3+3x+1 has an inverse over \mathbb R. (Without graphical approach)

All I thought about is f'(x)=3x^2+3 is positive so f(x) monotonic increasing. Is that enough?
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2. Forgot how to use dy/dx.dx/dy=1
f(x)=2x+cos(x) and g=f^-1. Find g'(1)
 

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More stupid questions... I should just chill with the maths for tonight but.

1. How would I prove that a function is injective and surjective? Trying to prove that f(x)=x^3+3x+1 has an inverse over \mathbb R. (Without graphical approach)

All I thought about is f'(x)=3x^2+3 is positive so f(x) monotonic increasing. Is that enough?
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And

2. Forgot how to use dy/dx.dx/dy=1
f(x)=2x+cos(x) and g=f^-1. Find g'(1)






Inverse function theorem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_function_theorem#Statement_of_the_theorem .
 
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More stupid questions... I should just chill with the maths for tonight but.

1. How would I prove that a function is injective and surjective? Trying to prove that f(x)=x^3+3x+1 has an inverse over \mathbb R. (Without graphical approach)

All I thought about is f'(x)=3x^2+3 is positive so f(x) monotonic increasing. Is that enough?
____________

And

2. Forgot how to use dy/dx.dx/dy=1
f(x)=2x+cos(x) and g=f^-1. Find g'(1)
Check out what I did in the Elementary Thread.

A function is injective if and only if

 
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Oh crap. THAT was how to use the inverse function theorem. Ok I will sleep to recover.

Thanks again to responders.

Also, @Para the statement that a function is injective iff f(x)=f(y)<=>x=y - I have seen it in my lecture. But I kept scratching my head cause I'm not sure why it works.
 

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Oh crap. THAT was how to use the inverse function theorem. Ok I will sleep to recover.

Thanks again to responders.

Also, @Para the statement that a function is injective iff f(x)=f(y)<=>x=y - I have seen it in my lecture. But I kept scratching my head cause I'm not sure why it works.






 
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Oh crap. THAT was how to use the inverse function theorem. Ok I will sleep to recover.

Thanks again to responders.

Also, @Para the statement that a function is injective iff f(x)=f(y)<=>x=y - I have seen it in my lecture. But I kept scratching my head cause I'm not sure why it works.
Because in an injective function, every element in the domain and co-domain can only occur once. Thus, every pairing is unique. So f(x) = f(y) is logically equivalent to x=y, otherwise, that would contradict the definition of an injective function.
 

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Oh my goodness... of course... I am so foolish
 

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Followup to Q1.



This just sounds like HSC MX1. I can assume f is surjective like above and then use my knowledge of turning points to determine intervals that allow it to be injective as well right?
 

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Yep exactly. Because we want our domain to be an interval, the turning points of the cubic are "bad" in the sense that f is not injective in any inteval containing either of these turning points in their interior.

Elsewhere we don't have a problem, because f is piecewise monotonic, so the intervals are precisely the three intervals that these two turning points cut the real line into.

(And then just apply f to each of these intervals to get the domains for the respective inverse functions.)
 

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Followup: Obviously arctan(x)+arccot(x) becomes a piecewise function. How do I justify that this isn't the case for arcsin(x)+arccos(x)? Does it basically just have to do with the fact arccot(x) is undefined for x=0 but continuous everywhere else?
 
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Followup: Obviously arctan(x)+arccot(x) becomes a piecewise function. How do I justify that this isn't the case for arcsin(x)+arccos(x)? Does it basically just have to do with the fact arccot(x) is undefined for x=0 but continuous everywhere else?
Um... Complementary angles prove it by definition...

As for arccot, it satisfies the complementary angles, but two different cases for positive and negative branches.
 

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Um... Complementary angles prove it by definition...

As for arccot, it satisfies the complementary angles, but two different cases for positive and negative branches.
Wow. I thought I was missing something but that was bad from me.
 
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