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I'm sure there's an intelligent, compassionate, visionary man somewhere underneath Tony Abbott. But after all the long years of Howard-style rhetoric he's probably forgotten where!
 

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I'm sure there's an intelligent, compassionate, visionary man somewhere underneath Tony Abbott. But after all the long years of Howard-style rhetoric he's probably forgotten where!
Really? This is the man who in 1993 boasted he was the love child of Bronwyn Bishop and John howard?
 

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Oh poo poo nobody cares about their qualifications. You're happy to belittle Craig Emerson and Wayne Swan when they're both university lecturers. It's open game in politics, what you did when you were twenty doesn't matter anymore its what you say when you're there and since he arrived he has conducted himself like a massive dunce, whether he weighed in on abortions, indigenous Australians, asylum seekers, climate change, economics or political conduct generally he has time after time come up looking naive and out of his depth. He is the every opposite of Paul Keating and I mean that in every negative way and no positive ones.
Where did I belittle the respective intelligences of Wayne Swan and Craig Emerson?
 

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Where did I belittle the respective intelligences of Wayne Swan and Craig Emerson?
I dunno bout Emerson but I'm sure you've called Swan a dolt or moron or an idiot etc at some point. If you haven't you are the exception amongst partisan political followers and I withdraw the charge without reservation.
 

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I dunno bout Emerson but I'm sure you've called Swan a dolt or moron or an idiot etc at some point. If you haven't you are the exception amongst partisan political followers and I withdraw the charge without reservation.
I think he's dangerously misguided regarding his Keynesian economics. And I've said he's a boring, smarmy, smug bastard. But I have not said he is an idiot.


EDIT: At least I don't think I have. If I have, it was in terms of actions, not intelligence. Idiocy does not necessarily imply stupidity.
 

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Which one will you vote and why, for Federal?

Me (although I can't, stupid age restrictions! :mad: ):
Liberal. Labor has (every time they get in) fucked up our economy enough. Now it's time for the Liberal's to come in and clean the mess Labor has compiled.

Debate.
Labor.
Why are so many people swing voters?
Why don't you just PICK A GOD DAMN PARTY ALREADY.
Even with the odd brilliant/shitty leader, shouldn't generally be enough to change your mind. Parties are based on ideologies, people should realise this and vote accordingly.
 

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Really? This is the man who in 1993 boasted he was the love child of Bronwyn Bishop and John howard?
come on that was obviously a heatofthemoment claim and not a carefully scripted gospel policy statement
 

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I will hear no bad word said of Bronny Bishop, she is amazing. There is a shell in her office in Canberra that she fired.
 

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I think he's dangerously misguided regarding his Keynesian economics. And I've said he's a boring, smarmy, smug bastard. But I have not said he is an idiot.


EDIT: At least I don't think I have. If I have, it was in terms of actions, not intelligence. Idiocy does not necessarily imply stupidity.
Also, he looks like a duck.
 

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come on that was obviously a heatofthemoment claim and not a carefully scripted gospel policy statement
Abbott's credibility as a leader is severely damaged by his hot-heatedness. What about that thing he said a week or two ago about not telling the truth? Hardly the wisest thing to say. We need a leader who isn't going to make rash decisions.
 

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I think he's dangerously misguided regarding his Keynesian economics. And I've said he's a boring, smarmy, smug bastard. But I have not said he is an idiot.


EDIT: At least I don't think I have. If I have, it was in terms of actions, not intelligence. Idiocy does not necessarily imply stupidity.
Smug? Swan? I've always found him to seem nervous and lacking self confidence. Rudd and Gillard are certainly smug and Lindsay Tanner seems to transcend smugness in that he seems genuinely annoyed and disgruntled that he has to suffer such fools in the press and in the parliament but Swan? Each to their own I guess, I withdraw the charge without reservation.
come on that was obviously a heatofthemoment claim and not a carefully scripted gospel policy statement
HAHAHAHAH! That's bullshit.
 

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Yep. I see them as typical Labor feel-good "we're doing something about Education and The Environment" kind of policies as opposed to direct stimulus measures.


Please temper all of my comments with the extreme cynicism I have for Rudd Labor
The insulation scheme wouldn't have been bungled if it wasn't rushed; and the justification for rushing it was economic stimulus. Similar deal with education; Rudd obviously now realises the problems with it, but it was a sacrifice he was willing to make in order to help the economy. The scale of these schemes means you can't seriously deny the underlying economic purposes.
 

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Labor gets into power, takes the credit for being good economic managers and spends Australia into the ground

Liberal gets into power and spends a decade being brutally frugal and fixing it back into surplus

rinse and repeat
What of the Howard government's taking credit for Keating's labour market policies and such? Howard did fuck all, really. There was the GST and...What else? for 11 years in power, too. AND the tax cuts which are always poor policy, used for grabbing votes (which he sadly managed to pull off successfully repeatedly). He didn't even do enough to boost the mining boom.
 

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A $10,000 payment for every stay at home mother, was it?
Yeah, SURE Abbot would do wonders for the economy. You keep telling yourself that.
I don't agree with the baby bonus/payments for such.

You can support a leader without agreeing with every single policy, you know. And is that the only example you have?
 

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What of the Howard government's taking credit for Keating's labour market policies and such? Howard did fuck all, really. There was the GST and...What else? for 11 years in power, too. AND the tax cuts which are always poor policy, used for grabbing votes (which he sadly managed to pull off successfully repeatedly). He didn't even do enough to boost the mining boom.
He didn't, actually. He (and Costello) repeatedly credited Keating's policies for putting the Liberals in the position where they could unfuck the economy, as it was.

Learn moar history
 

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He didn't, actually. He (and Costello) repeatedly credited Keating's policies for putting the Liberals in the position where they could unfuck the economy, as it was.

Learn moar history
I recall either Howard or Costello crediting Keating following their defeat in 2007. Not before it though. Politics is a nasty game.
 

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I don't agree with the baby bonus/payments for such.

You can support a leader without agreeing with every single policy, you know. And is that the only example you have?
Well another example, as I've already brought up, was Howard's successive tax payments which were in reality unsustainable during his decade-long term. Sure, you didn't notice any impact on the economy, but that doesn't mean they were a good policy, even though it shut up a lot of greedy voters.

I chose Abbott's policy because it's one of the few economic ideas he's put forward, and it's a fucking shocking one.
 

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Abbott's credibility as a leader is severely damaged by his hot-heatedness. What about that thing he said a week or two ago about not telling the truth? Hardly the wisest thing to say. We need a leader who isn't going to make rash decisions.
nonsense his hot-headedness aka having a soul aka being a human is exactly what we need in a leader (cf: the kruddbot)

abbott 2010
 

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I recall either Howard or Costello crediting Keating following their defeat in 2007. Not before it though. Politics is a nasty game.
You would have been in primary school for the majority of their tenure.

Well another example, as I've already brought up, was Howard's successive tax payments which were in reality unsustainable during his decade-long term. Sure, you didn't notice any impact on the economy, but that doesn't mean they were a good policy, even though it shut up a lot of greedy voters.

I chose Abbott's policy because it's one of the few economic ideas he's put forward, and it's a fucking shocking one.
I guess that depends on your perspective on tax, in that case. Generally Liberals and those of the libertarian persuasion regard income tax as theft, and generally a disincentive to hard work. I don't draw a direct causative link between economic growth and tax cuts, but if you can afford to give people back the money they've earned without impacting the economy, you should, and Howard/Costello did.
 

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