Long-un strategies for NUS (yet another VSU thread) (1 Viewer)

[iamsickofyear12]

If women adhered to your view of childbirth, they would not be having children until they had 'the ability to pay for childcare'

That is exactly the way it should be.

People work. You can't just demand a relative to look after your child. It's unfair. If women adhered to your view of childbirth, they would not be having children until they had 'the ability to pay for childcare'. My point is that delaying childbirth is at odds with a chief Liberal Party goal, which is urging women to have more children. (One for the father, one for the mother, nation etc..)

As you have expressed yourself as a Liberal Party supporter, I find your stance on childbirth stupid.

Also, childcare is very expensive and more importantly, there is massive shortage in childcare places, so even if a student mother can afford childcare, she probably won't be able to find a place. Which is why childcare facilities exist on campus, funded by student contributions.

Just because I am a Liberal Party supporter doesn't mean I agree with all of their policies. Parents should not have children unless they can afford them, and if they can never afford them then they should never have children. I think it's stupid that other people end up paying for their kids. I don't particularly want kids, but if I do have them I don't expect anyone else to pay for them.

It's fine that childcare services exist on campus to address the shortage issue, but I don't want to pay for them because I'm not using them.

 

[leetom]

Even if a mother can afford childcare, it is likely she would not be able to secure a place due to nation-wide shortages.

And mothers rarely put their children into childcare because they arn't able to raise them, but rather because they have to either WORK or STUDY.

The nation's future generations are entitiled to some sort of support.

 

[iamsickofyear12]

Even if a mother can afford childcare, it is likely she would not be able to secure a place due to nation-wide shortages.

And mothers rarely put their children into childcare because they arn't able to raise them, but rather because they have to either WORK or STUDY.

The nation's future generations are entitiled to some sort of support.

I agree with that. But the problem I have is with people who can't afford to have children having them anyway because they are selfish and then other people have to pay for them.

And I don't think studying is an excuse for parents to need childcare. If they are working then thats one thing, but studying can wait until the children start school.

 

[Korn]

but by provisional i mean it only works provided people actually have parents or family willing to support this (which unfortunately many don't). it's not really a policy worth pursuing.
are you sure you knew what you were heading into when you joined Young Labor?
you seem to want to avoid collective support for welfare at any chance?...

No I realise that not everyone has a strong family network, thats why we have a centrelink support for childcare which is great, cause its paid for by those ppl that can afford it who are working full-time, it probably should be increased if it isnt enough for students. But I dont see why those that are students should pay for these things as they generally cant afford to as they dont work fulltime and may not even earn enough to pay tax, yet under USU they would still be expected to pay fees

 

[Korn]

I agree with that. But the problem I have is with people who can't afford to have children having them anyway because they are selfish and then other people have to pay for them.

And I don't think studying is an excuse for parents to need childcare. If they are working then thats one thing, but studying can wait until the children start school.

Yuo have a point that they should wait to the child starts school as it is allows a bond be created between the parents and the child during the most crucial time of a young childs development