Mao chic (2 Viewers)

[LaraB]

Singapore has the higest percentage rate of capital punishment per population in the world. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, with a prison population of 1.92 million out of the total population of 286 million. This works out a 0.686% incarceration rate. That is a far higher percentage rate than in China which has 1.3 billion population.

yes but saying its the lesser of the 3 evils doesn't make it right or good....

singapore has the highest rate of capital punishment but the society is very different from China... yes people have a lot of liberties removed but a lot of people are happy with it and they believe they are safer than people in China or the US or Indonesia... and i mean Chinese people living in Sinapore too who have migrated from China

And yes - i know this first hand as i have family in Singapore who have told me that this is their feelings on teh state of the country so its not some propaganda crap

Also, these countries have a greater percentage who are urban, industrialised etc... so its not as simple as looking at the % of people incacerated etc...

anyone see that doco called The Dying Rooms on the national georgaphic channel i think? i personally think taht a country that is too harsh in punsihing it's criminal eg Singapore is far better than a country that knowingly allows particularly female infanticide... yes they don't endorse taht people do it but they don't exactly condemn it either so its as good as....

I think the US and SIngapore's systems are screwy too... but you surely cannot say that leaving an infant child strapped into a bamboo rocker alone in a room with no food and water until they die surrounded by other children in the same condition is not worse than being too harsh on an individual who has convicted a crime?...

 

[LaraB]

It is no different from the US executing their convicts. And unlike the US, at least the People's Republic doesn't execute children.

just curious, u got a site or something on that?
coz i heard something on the news a while ago about them stopping the execution of children but didnt catch whether that was US wide of just certain states...?

just a thought too - the US doesn't have a nation wide policy on executions unlike some other countries which may be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it...

Aus had executions until relatively recently i guess.... kinda funny how the last guy executed didn't even do the crime and the guy who did it committed suicide years later - he was a criminal in jail, was a prison riot or something like that... a guard got shot, i think the guy blamed was Ronald something? or something like that... except the problem was, the guard was shot from someone above shooting down and he was up on the wall and the prisoner was on teh ground and no one bothered to think about it til after the guy was executed... pretty stupid huh

 

[supercharged]

Personally, I don't see anything bad about executions for criminals who have commited a serious offence, just as long as you don't get the wrong guy

 

[withoutaface]

Singapore has the higest percentage rate of capital punishment per population in the world. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, with a prison population of 1.92 million out of the total population of 286 million. This works out a 0.686% incarceration rate. That is a far higher percentage rate than in China which has 1.3 billion population.

How many would be incarcerated if China imprisoned everyone guilty of dumping a child just after birth?

 

[withoutaface]

just curious, u got a site or something on that?
coz i heard something on the news a while ago about them stopping the execution of children but didnt catch whether that was US wide of just certain states...?

just a thought too - the US doesn't have a nation wide policy on executions unlike some other countries which may be a good or bad thing depending on how you look at it...

Aus had executions until relatively recently i guess.... kinda funny how the last guy executed didn't even do the crime and the guy who did it committed suicide years later - he was a criminal in jail, was a prison riot or something like that... a guard got shot, i think the guy blamed was Ronald something? or something like that... except the problem was, the guard was shot from someone above shooting down and he was up on the wall and the prisoner was on teh ground and no one bothered to think about it til after the guy was executed... pretty stupid huh

Ronald Ryan, and there is no substantial evidence that it wasn't him that committed the crime. If your source is the video "The Last Man Hanged", then that's a rather biased account.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

People who buy this mao stuff are often ignorant of almost all of the history. They if anything just got told he was anti-US and a 'revolutionary', so of course he's super cool!!!

I love it when people try to defend China's human-rights record by comparing it to the US - the US might be pretty shitty when it comes to alot of things but they hold no record over china or soviet russia.

 

[Monkey Butler]

I've got a T-shirt with a picture of Mao playing ping pong that says "winning is everything". That kinda of Mao chic I can handle. One of my mates has a Che T-shirt, and yeah, he only knows that he was a communist revolutionary.

 

[supercharged]

How many would be incarcerated if China imprisoned everyone guilty of dumping a child just after birth?

The way the one child policy is implemented is flawed, however what choice is there?

Even with the one child policy in place, China's population is set to rise from 1.3 billion to 1.6 billion sometime in the 2030s. If there was no government limit of birth control then the population would so great there would be need to either massive apartment blocks built to the sky to accommodate them all or have mass immigration out of the country to less densely populated parts of the world.

With massive population growth how is the government going to provide all the necessary infrastructure, resources, employment for so many people?

If you cannot provide enough jobs for all these new people they just become a drag on the economy whilst consuming finite resources. At least China's government is responsible enough to have a population control policy rather than just turn a blind eye to it like in India, where more and more people are born to compete for the same resources resulting in a huge unemployed urban poor class surrounding every city area.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

supercharged, what will happen is a natural process... you don't go killing off people, you simply wait for a time when people finally realise it's too costly to have children, or they simply cannot.

 

[supercharged]

supercharged, what will happen is a natural process... you don't go killing off people, you simply wait for a time when people finally realise it's too costly to have children, or they simply cannot.

That never happens without a strong economy, look at Africa, people are so poor due to famines and civil war that they don't have enough feed themselves. Yet the women are still constantly giving birth to new babies, which they can't feed and just cry until they get so weak that they finally die in their parents arms.

Is this the "natural process" which you speak of?

 

[Not-That-Bright]

The main problem in Africa is that 20% of the people there have aids, no way really when you think about it to help them much... at least for a generation.

And yes that is exactly the natural process I was speaking of

 

[Xayma]

People who buy this mao stuff are often ignorant of almost all of the history. They if anything just got told he was anti-US and a 'revolutionary', so of course he's super cool!!!

I love it when people try to defend China's human-rights record by comparing it to the US - the US might be pretty shitty when it comes to alot of things but they hold no record over china or soviet russia.

It's exactly the same as Che Guevara they hold him in high esteem yet do not know the history behind him.

Such to the extent that even my accommadation held a talk by his daughter. I didn't attend but I highly doubt she would've bought up the piece where he stated that had the missiles been under Cuban control in the Cuban Missile crisis they would've fired them.

But the willingness to start a nuclear war is just brushed under the table.

Phanatical: We are no more brainwashed then yourself. While the West looks upon Mao as a murderer and tyrant, you elevate him to the status of a saint.

 

[LaraB]

Ronald Ryan, and there is no substantial evidence that it wasn't him that committed the crime. If your source is the video "The Last Man Hanged", then that's a rather biased account.

no it isnt... i havent seen that video...

i did a research assignment on it and there was heaps of evidence to show that it is most likely that it wasn't him...

im not stupid enough to base it all on a movie anyway coz all political movies are biased...

 

[LaraB]

The main problem in Africa is that 20% of the people there have aids, no way really when you think about it to help them much... at least for a generation.

And yes that is exactly the natural process I was speaking of

interesting thing on SBS i think? a few sunday's ago..

they've gotten rid of a lot of debt with the removal of $50B of debt in Africa...

but the countries who supply aids/HIV and other medications for both 'prevention' and treatement have refused to lift patents to allow generic versions to be produced so they can actually afford it and they reckon the cost of these drugs, largely produced in the US, asia and sth america ... is going to equate to almost as much as the debt anyways...

interestingly, China and sth american countries are beginning to lift these patents before all the more so called "developed" countries

 

[withoutaface]

It's exactly the same as Che Guevara they hold him in high esteem yet do not know the history behind him.

Such to the extent that even my accommadation held a talk by his daughter. I didn't attend but I highly doubt she would've bought up the piece where he stated that had the missiles been under Cuban control in the Cuban Missile crisis they would've fired them.

But the willingness to start a nuclear war is just brushed under the table.

Phanatical: We are no more brainwashed then yourself. While the West looks upon Mao as a murderer and tyrant, you elevate him to the status of a saint.

http://idmedia.org.au/aleida?PHPSESSID=a5f9de074b74e00da74d903ee4c16948

Article on the lecture.

 

[Comrade nathan]

where he stated that had the missiles been under Cuban control in the Cuban Missile crisis they would've fired them.

No that would not have happen. Che told Fidel that if the US invades they should fire the misiles into the US. This is Che talking, the rather more idealist revolutionary then Fidel Castro. Fidel would not have even mention firing the misiles because his position requires him to think more realistically and think for the future of the Cuban nation.

 

[paper cup]

I was listening to the radio earlier tonight as I was looking through this forum, and thought that the following story might be of interest to some (or all).

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1391060.htm




Selective memories. Left vs right, west vs other, a combination of the two or something else altogether? Any thoughts on that particular issue or the transcript in general?

life under Mao (like under Stalin) may have been politically repressive and poor in terms of living standards but society was relatively stable (before 1967 anyway)
have to remember China went through a shitload of stuff prior to it - ww1, ww2, jap invasion etc etc
sorry I haven't got time to read through the thread - just cherry's usual two cents, which will probably get her shot or something similarly drastic

 

[withoutaface]

Maybe I should start printing shirts with Mussolini on them.

 

[Monkey Butler]

I reckon most people wouldn't know who he was

 

[Generator]

Make sure that it's one of Mussolini and partner just hanging about, calculon.