med advice (2 Viewers)

[katie tully]

Yes and no. I know some extremely bright people who got shit UAIs (see me) because they cbf applying themselves at the time. Also went to a shit school and that affected my marks substantially (80s in my exams, UAI does not reflect this )Poor judgement, yes, but if you restrict yourself to the highest of the high, then yeah you're going to get some academics... But are you getting doctors? What are their life skills like? Their people skills.

By restricting yourself to the 99.9 UAI kids, you're not really ensuring that you're getting the best candidates. That's why med requires an interview and UMAT, interviews especially..

after all they just want to attract a good reputation and having high quality students will always help!

What a retarded thing to say.

 

[PrettyVacant]

well that would explain why i didn't get in (at a decent medical school that is)
my advice:
if you want usyd/monash/unsw med straight out of school
don't wait until last term of year 12 to start doing some work or you'll be doing graduate entry

That's untrue, I did almost no work through year twelve with pretty mediocre ranks. It wasn't until I totally failed my trials (lol like 40%) that I started putting my foot on the pedal and crammed for my externals. My externals really saved my ass.

 

[PrettyVacant]

And I agree with Chinaski, the high cutoffs are there ONLY BECAUSE the course is freakishly competitive...like loads of people want to do medicine and that's why they need to filter out people. UAI cutoffs are not indicative of course difficulty, but rather supply VS demand.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

sorry chinaski but i don't see where you're going with the comment "... the short sighted view of the 'best' = kids with high UAIs"

in all reality that is the truth about school leavers. the UAI depicts both a student's intellectual ability and their attitudes towards work (their work ethic). anybody who achieves 99+ has both shown that they are of reasonable intelligence but also that they see the value in working hard for what they want. these are both extremely inportant in selecting for prospective doctors who are soon going to be working 60+ hour weeks as an intern and their work ethic's need to show that they can do this without too much of a hassle. for this reason, the UAI is by far the best indicator for selection and do you really blame the universities for choosing the best?
after all they just want to attract a good reputation and having high quality students will always help!

funny how thats not true at all

and you must be on drugs to think that is reasonably true

i got that and i know plenty more with 99+ and couldnt handle med.. i know ppl with 91 that do better than 99 at working as doctors.. there is not really much between after 90.. the best indicator of performance is actually surviving the training.. thats why noone in med school gives a rats ass if you get some super UAI .. its how you go in it and survive..

seriously.. apply for a junior/specialist position and just quote ur UAI ... they will laugh you out.. it really doesnt matter once ur beyond uni oweek lol

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

And I agree with Chinaski, the high cutoffs are there ONLY BECAUSE the course is freakishly competitive...like loads of people want to do medicine and that's why they need to filter out people. UAI cutoffs are not indicative of course difficulty, but rather supply VS demand.

i agree too with chinaski..
but i also think chinaski is hot :wave:

 

[chinaski]

thats why noone in med school gives a rats ass if you get some super UAI .. its how you go in it and survive..

You mean a super duper UAI doesn't mean you're automatically going to find those super duper hard intern years easy?

In fairness, though, as alluded to earlier, the debate has been more about how kids will succeed (or not) in med school, not the pool of sharks that await them after graduation. I would be surprised to see any meaningful research that pits med school entrants with the traditionally high UAI of 99+ against entrants with UAIs significantly lower than that. Why? Because the majority of undergraduate med school entrants sit in the top division of UAIs, therefore you'd be hard pressed finding a statistically significant pool of students with lower UAIs to compare against. You can't fairly compare graduate against undergrad entrants, but it is worth noting that most grad entry students won't have fared as spectacularly in high school as did most of their undergrad counterparts. And still, they all graduate with the same degree, and end up working side-by-side.

This leads us to the next can of worms: does success in med school mean success in the workplace...? [Note: rhetorical question] Whether you believe UAI is predictive of potential success in med school or not, it's even more contentious to argue good students make good doctors...

Edit:

i agree too with chinaski..
but i also think chinaski is hot :wave:

Haven't outgrown me yet, Pointy?

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

You mean a super duper UAI doesn't mean you're automatically going to find those super duper hard intern years easy?

In fairness, though, as alluded to earlier, the debate has been more about how kids will succeed (or not) in med school, not the pool of sharks that await them after graduation. I would be surprised to see any meaningful research that pits med school entrants with the traditionally high UAI of 99+ against entrants with UAIs significantly lower than that. Why? Because the majority of undergraduate med school entrants sit in the top division of UAIs, therefore you'd be hard pressed finding a statistically significant pool of students with lower UAIs to compare against. You can't fairly compare graduate against undergrad entrants, but it is worth noting that most grad entry students won't have fared as spectacularly in high school as did most of their undergrad counterparts. And still, they all graduate with the same degree, and end up working side-by-side.

This leads us to the next can of worms: does success in med school mean success in the workplace...? [Note: rhetorical question] Whether you believe UAI is predictive of potential success in med school or not, it's even more contentious to argue good students make good doctors...

I worked with some grad med boys when during a clinical placement and they are as capable as yr 12 entry candidates and I think its how they go in intensive clinical placements(pre-intern kind) and then later in work environment..

its funny now im applying for intern positions and they ask the darnest things in some states... that most yr 12 leaver school grads would be hard pressed to answer because they lack experience... i think experience counts so much

Haven't outgrown me yet, Pointy?

of course not baby... i can prescibe you anything... *pause*... in 8 months (with limited rights).. *whistles casually*

and i have been told im incorrigible.. i wouldnt mind being under you ... .. mostly professional of course

 

[Bacilli]

 

[Dr_Fresh]

chinaski, what med school did u go to for grad med?

 

[chinaski]

chinaski, what med school did u go to for grad med?

Sydney.

@ Bacilli:

Quite.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

LOL

its all in jest

well i kno it is

 

[katie tully]