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Kulazzi said:
Yeah same here. I just hate it when they pry into everyone's life, for fully detailed information. But then again, that's their job and that's what they're getting paid for :cool:
there must be a market for it - else there would be no money it, and no tabloids/glossies. However, these publications, which are generally wastes of paper in terms of believable/unbiased/useful content - exist, and fill a need.
As long as they can see through the crap, the people who don't want to be duped won't be.
 

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Asquithian said:
tony abbot knows that racism is bad...i am very glad he tried to get rid of her...

it is disgusting that John Howard will not condemn her views...




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Do you know why he wont? Because the majority of Australians agree with her.

However, I will never, ever vote for her.
 

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Kulazzi said:
there's really no Australian culture anymore.
Ah, that's a load of crap... The Australian 'culture' is one of the most dynamic in the world given our status as a nation-state of immigrants. Hanson and her supporters are lamenting the loss of British Australia,which was far from being as cohesive as they believe, rather than embracing whatever the future may hold. We are not living within a truly multicultural society at the moment (pockets of multicultural space in the larger capital cities may be the better description), but who knows what will happen down the line?

Not-That-Bright said:
The truth is aboriginals do recieve greater benefits than white australians.
AbStudy, Sitting allowance...

I acknowledge that this was originally their country, but the generation that was most affected by this are gone.. alot of the people making these points were born into a fairly tolerant country where they are given great entitlements.. and still ask for more.
Living up to your username, I see.
 

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i am quite scared when people say "most australian's aggre with her (Hanson)"
 

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Asquithian said:
is everyone forgetting that pauline hanson is a racist...? How the hell can you feel empathy for a person like her...the lady is not all there


anyways TO REMIND PEOPLE ill post a link to her first parliamentary speech which left the chamber in DEEP SHOCK
it dissapoints me that you condemn a person for having an opinion. i'm personally in favour of a diplomacy whereby minority parties CAN gain power. she represents a section of the community, how big or how small none of us can say and nor will i speculate on, that has the right to be heard.

i care little that her opinions are racist, poorly conceived or detrimental to Australia's future well-being. all i care is that someone who wishes to have a political opinion can hold that opinion, can be elected into the House of Reps or to the Senate and can profess that opinion to those who run this country, as she would be part of the group that run it.

you seem to think that she should be censored due to her rampant nationalism... i say good on her. i wont agree with her, but given the opportunity i would shake her hand and say that she's brave for doing what she's doing, offer my condolences for her mistreatment and wish her all the best for the future.

for someone who gives me the impression they're somewhat intelligent, you're not mucho f a human being, are you?
 

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pauline hanson can say what she wants but i'm kinda amazed and disturbed not only that she was able to gain any power, but that people in high school and university are sitting here discussing merits in her ideas.
her views are so ludicrously xenophobic and racist that i thought she was just a joke
 

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Pauline Hanson's Maiden Speech

Mr Acting Speaker, in making my first speech in this place, I congratulate you on your election and wish to say how proud I am to be here as the Independent member for Oxley. I come here not as a polished politician but as a woman who has had her fair share of life's knocks.

My view on issues is based on commonsense, and my experience as a mother of four children, as a sole parent, and as a businesswoman running a fish and chip shop. I won the seat of Oxley largely on an issue that has resulted in me being called a racist. That issue related to my comment that Aboriginals received more benefits than non-Aboriginals.

We now have a situation where a type of reverse racism is applied to mainstream Australians by those who promote political correctness and those who control the various taxpayer funded `industries' that flourish in our society servicing Aboriginals, multiculturalists and a host of other minority groups. In response to my call for equality for all Australians, the most noisy criticism came from the fat cats, bureaucrats and the do- gooders. They screamed the loudest because they stand to lose the most--their power, money and position, all funded by ordinary Australian taxpayers.

Present governments are encouraging separatism in Australia by providing opportunities, land, moneys and facilities available only to Aboriginals. Along with millions of Australians, I am fed up to the back teeth with the inequalities that are being promoted by the government and paid for by the taxpayer under the assumption that Aboriginals are the most disadvantaged people in Australia. I do not believe that the colour of one's skin determines whether you are disadvantaged. As Paul Hasluck said in parliament in October 1955 when he was Minister for Territories:

The distinction I make is this. A social problem is one that concerns the way in which people live together in one society. A racial problem is a problem which confronts two different races who live in two separate societies, even if those societies are side by side. We do not want a society in Australia in which one group enjoy one set of privileges and another group enjoy another set of privileges.

Hasluck's vision was of a single society in which racial emphases were rejected and social issues addressed. I totally agree with him, and so would the majority of Australians.

But, remember, when he gave his speech he was talking about the privileges that white Australians were seen to be enjoying over Aboriginals. Today, 41 years later, I talk about the exact opposite--the privileges Aboriginals enjoy over other Australians. I have done research on benefits available only to Aboriginals and challenge anyone to tell me how Aboriginals are disadvantaged when they can obtain three and five per cent housing loans denied to non-Aboriginals.

This nation is being divided into black and white, and the present system encourages this. I am fed up with being told, `This is our land.' Well, where the hell do I go? I was born here, and so were my parents and children. I will work beside anyone and they will be my equal but I draw the line when told I must pay and continue paying for something that happened over 200 years ago. Like most Australians, I worked for my land; no-one gave it to me.

Apart from the $40 million spent so far since Mabo on native title claims, the government has made available $1 billion for Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders as compensation for land they cannot claim under native title. Bear in mind that the $40 million spent so far in native title has gone into the pockets of grateful lawyers and consultants. Not one native title has been granted as I speak.

The majority of Aboriginals do not want handouts because they realise that welfare is killing them. This quote says it all: "If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish you feed him for a lifetime."

Those who feed off the Aboriginal industry do not want to see things changed. Look at the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation. Members receive $290 a day sitting allowance and $320 a day travelling allowance, and most of these people also hold other very well paid positions. No wonder they did not want to resign recently!

Reconciliation is everyone recognising and treating each other as equals, and everyone must be responsible for their own actions. This is why I am calling for ATSIC to be abolished. It is a failed, hypocritical and discriminatory organisation that has failed dismally the people it was meant to serve. It will take more than Senator Herron's surgical skills to correct the terminal mess it is in. Anyone with a criminal record can, and does, hold a position with ATSIC. I cannot hold my position as a politician if I have a criminal record--once again, two sets of rules.

If politicians continue to promote separatism in Australia, they should not continue to hold their seats in this parliament. They are not truly representing all Australians, and I call on the people to throw them out. To survive in peace and harmony, united and strong, we must have one people, one nation, one flag.

The greatest cause of family breakdown is unemployment. This country of ours has the richest mineral deposits in the world and vast rich lands for agriculture and is surrounded by oceans that provide a wealth of seafood, and yet we are $190 billion in debt with an interest bill that is strangling us.

Youth unemployment between the ages of 15 to 24 runs at 25 per cent and is even higher in my electorate of Oxley. Statistics, by cooking the books, say that Australia's unemployment is at 8.6 per cent, or just under one million people. If we disregard that one hour's work a week classifies a person as employed, then the figure is really between 1.5 million and 1.9 million unemployed. This is a crisis that recent governments have ignored because of a lack of will. We are regarded as a Third World country with First World living conditions. We have one of the highest interest rates in the world, and we owe more money per capita than any other country. All we need is a nail hole in the bottom of the boat and we're sunk.

In real dollar terms, our standard of living has dropped over the past 10 years. In the 1960s, our wages increase ran at three per cent and unemployment at two per cent. Today, not only is there no wage increase, we have gone backwards and unemployment is officially 8.6 per cent. The real figure must be close to 12 to 13 per cent.

I wish to comment briefly on some social and legal problems encountered by many of my constituents-- problems not restricted to just my electorate of Oxley. I refer to the social and family upheaval created by the Family Law Act and the ramifications of that act embodied in the child support scheme. The Family Law Act, which was the child of the disgraceful Senator Lionel Murphy, should be repealed. It has brought death, misery and heartache to countless thousands of Australians. Children are treated like pawns in some crazy game of chess.

The child support scheme has become unworkable, very unfair and one sided. Custodial parents can often profit handsomely at the expense of a parent paying child support, and in many cases the non-custodial parent simply gives up employment to escape the, in many cases, heavy and punitive financial demands. Governments must give to all those who have hit life's hurdles the chance to rebuild and have a future.

We have lost all our big Australian industries and icons, including Qantas when it sold 25 per cent of its shares and a controlling interest to British Airways. Now this government wants to sell Telstra, a company that made a $1.2 billion profit last year and will make a $2 billion profit this year. But, first, they want to sack 54,000 employees to show better profits and share prices. Anyone with business sense knows that you do not sell off your assets especially when they are making money. I may be only `a fish and chip shop lady', but some of these economists need to get their heads out of the textbooks and get a job in the real world. I would not even let one of them handle my grocery shopping.

Immigration and multiculturalism are issues that this government is trying to address, but for far too long ordinary Australians have been kept out of any debate by the major parties. I and most Australians want our immigration policy radically reviewed and that of multiculturalism abolished. I believe we are in danger of being swamped by Asians. Between 1984 and 1995, 40 per cent of all migrants coming into this country were of Asian origin. They have their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate. Of course, I will be called racist but, if I can invite whom I want into my home, then I should have the right to have a say in who comes into my country. A truly multicultural country can never be strong or united. The world is full of failed and tragic examples, ranging from Ireland to Bosnia to Africa and, closer to home, Papua New Guinea. America and Great Britain are currently paying the price.

Arthur Calwell was a great Australian and Labor leader, and it is a pity that there are not men of his stature sitting on the opposition benches today. Arthur Calwell said:

Japan, India, Burma, Ceylon and every new African nation are fiercely anti-white and anti one another. Do we want or need any of these people here? I am one red-blooded Australian who says no and who speaks for 90% of Australians.

I have no hesitation in echoing the words of Arthur Calwell.

There is light at the end of the tunnel and there are solutions. If this government wants to be fair dinkum, then it must stop kowtowing to financial markets, international organisations, world bankers, investment companies and big business people. The Howard government must become visionary and be prepared to act, even at the risk of making mistakes.

In this financial year we will be spending at least $1.5 billion on foreign aid and we cannot be sure that this money will be properly spent, as corruption and mismanagement in many of the recipient countries are legend. Australia must review its membership and funding of the UN, as it is a little like ATSIC on a grander scale, with huge tax-free American dollar salaries, duty-free luxury cars and diplomatic status.

The World Health Organisation has a lot of its medical experts sitting in Geneva while hospitals in Africa have no drugs and desperate patients are forced to seek medication on the black market. I am going to find out how many treaties we have signed with the UN, have them exposed and then call for their repudiation. The government should cease all foreign aid immediately and apply the savings to generate employment here at home.

Abolishing the policy of multiculturalism will save billions of dollars and allow those from ethnic backgrounds to join mainstream Australia, paving the way to a strong, united country. Immigration must be halted in the short-term so that our dole queues are not added to by, in many cases, unskilled migrants not fluent in the English language. This would be one positive step to rescue many young and older Australians from a predicament which has become a national disgrace and crisis. I must stress at this stage that I do not consider those people from ethnic backgrounds currently living in Australia anything but first-class citizens, provided of course that they give this country their full, undivided loyalty.

The government must be imaginative enough to become involved, in the short-term at least, in job creating projects that will help establish the foundation for a resurgence of national development and enterprise. Such schemes would be the building of the Alice Springs to Darwin railway line, new roads and ports, water conservation, reafforestation and other sensible and practical environmental projects.

Therefore I call for the introduction of national service for a period of 12 months, compulsory for males and females upon finishing year 12 or reaching 18 years of age. This could be a civil service with a touch of military training, because I do not feel we can go on living in a dream world forever and a day believing that war will never touch our lives again.

The government must do all it can to help reduce interest rates for business. How can we compete with Japan, Germany and Singapore, who enjoy rates of two per cent, 5.5 per cent and 3.5 per cent respectively? Reduced tariffs on foreign goods that compete with local products seem only to cost Australians their jobs. We must look after our own before lining the pockets of overseas countries and investors at the expense of our living standards and future.

Mr Acting Speaker, time is running out. We may have only 10 to 15 years left to turn things around. Because of our resources and our position in the world, we will not have a say because neighbouring countries such as Japan, with 125 million people; China, with 1.2 billion people; India, with 846 million people; Indonesia, with 178 million people; and Malaysia, with 20 million people are well aware of our resources and potential. Wake up, Australia, before it is too late. Australians need and want leaders who can inspire and give hope in difficult times. Now is the time for the Howard government to accept the challenge.

Mr Acting Speaker, everything I have said is relevant to my electorate of Oxley, which is typical of mainstream Australia. I do have concerns for my country and I am going to do my best to speak my mind and stand up for what I believe in. As an independent I am confident that I can look after the needs of the people of Oxley and I will always be guided by their advice. It is refreshing to be able to express my views without having to toe a party line. It has got me into trouble on the odd occasion, but I am not going to stop saying what I think. I consider myself just an ordinary Australian who wants to keep this great country strong and independent, and my greatest desire is to see all Australians treat each other as equals as we travel together towards the new century.

I will fight hard to keep my seat in this place, but that will depend on the people who sent me here. Mr Acting Speaker, I thank you for your attention and trust that you will not think me presumptuous if I dedicate this speech to the people of Oxley and those Australians who have supported me. I salute them all.


AS you CAN SEE IT IS NO EXAGGERATION TO SAY THAT THIS WOMEN IS AN IDIOT......
and once again, I will let asquithian argue for me. goddamn not being able to rep ppl repeatedly.
 

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tWiStEdD said:
i hate the media.
its as simple of that.
i fear that my frontline essay will suffer as a result.... or maybe it will benefit.... hrm.... -goes into deep thought-
you hate the media but you're pro propaganda ie your sig?


seems like a good recipe for healthy democracy if i ever read one

and ive got joseph goebbels' cookbook
 

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the prop is there for the sake of irony. i know context is important but dont let your perception of it get out of control.

Goebbels never professed to be part of a democracy. Dont kid yourself.
 

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tWiStEdD said:
the prop is there for the sake of irony. i know context is important but dont let your perception of it get out of control.

Goebbels never professed to be part of a democracy. Dont kid yourself.
what the fuck?

how can a perception get out of control.

no, but he did mention propaganda a few times i think.. which was the point of what i was saying

teh healthy democracy reference was more towards our own country, strangely enough
 

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tWiStEdD said:
it dissapoints me that you condemn a person for having an opinion. i'm personally in favour of a diplomacy whereby minority parties CAN gain power. she represents a section of the community, how big or how small none of us can say and nor will i speculate on, that has the right to be heard.

i care little that her opinions are racist, poorly conceived or detrimental to Australia's future well-being. all i care is that someone who wishes to have a political opinion can hold that opinion, can be elected into the House of Reps or to the Senate and can profess that opinion to those who run this country, as she would be part of the group that run it.

you seem to think that she should be censored due to her rampant nationalism... i say good on her. i wont agree with her, but given the opportunity i would shake her hand and say that she's brave for doing what she's doing, offer my condolences for her mistreatment and wish her all the best for the future.

for someone who gives me the impression they're somewhat intelligent, you're not mucho f a human being, are you?
Sure, let's let everyone hold their socially unacceptable, racist opinions and see what happens!

Fantastic idea.

I mean, just because a society should have outgrown childish abuse of other races a long time ago doesn't mean we shouldn't support a woman who comes from no where and starts doing it again...

It is exactly the same as the situation with a bully in the school yard. Here's a bully. Here's a child. The bully constantly abuses the child BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT BECAUSE IT'S THE BULLY'S OPINION! LET'S SUPPORT IT BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHATEVER HE WANTS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR DEMOCRACY!!! YAY!!!
 

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

Unfortunately, there are people in our society who would believe almost everything they're told so if we allow ppl who have dangerous opinions to voice them unopposed, the consequences may be more dangerous then you think.

Hanson will continue to voice her opinions and many will continue to oppose her. However if any side employs illegal methods, then they should be punished severely.
 
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Isn't it odd.
The media hounded her for being racist.
Bleeding heart liberals want to burn her at the stake...
YET
She held more votes than Beazley OR Howard... They just didnt want her in, so Beazley gave Howard all his preferences.
 

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katie_tully said:
Isn't it odd.
The media hounded her for being racist.
Bleeding heart liberals want to burn her at the stake...
YET
She held more votes than Beazley OR Howard... They just didnt want her in, so Beazley gave Howard all his preferences.
She is racist though, once again, read her first speech to parliament and other comments she has made in regards to ATSI, Asians and so on. They are extremeist and potentially divisive (more so than Howard's comments).
 

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Not-That-Bright said:
I read her comments and I think some of them are justified... while some are just stupid and go way too far.

I believe that aboriginals are getting it better than other australians.. and i see no reason why.
Find out about:
Affirmative Action
Equality of Outcomes
Equality of Opportunity

Too bad that you're too shortsighted to realise that the Aboriginal community is plagued with problems that no government has even tried to fix. In terms of health, education, etc they are not very well off at all. I'll check the ABS statistics later, but they are truely appalling.
 

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Not-That-Bright said:
I read her comments and I think some of them are justified... while some are just stupid and go way too far.

I believe that aboriginals are getting it better than other australians.. and i see no reason why.
The reason they are getting help from the government, over and above what non-indigenous people get, is because theirs is almost always an entirely different circumstance.
The state of our indigenous communities is a matter of international shame - they are living in third world conditions in a first world country, and this has been the situation for some time now - they have over 200 years of repression and ignorance and apathy to catch up on. Many indigenous communities don't have the services or living standards that we take for granted, so if the government can help them with those, with edcation and health, so that they can help themselves, then that is for the better.
 

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http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs%40.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/36b9fc25743a2ee3ca256a7100188a4d!OpenDocument

Read that.

Socially and economically, Aboriginals are disadvantaged.
 

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I love it how we (australians) make a stand on both equality of opportunity and affirmative action (postive discrimination?) simultaneously.

the point that Not-that-bright is trying to make is that ATSI peoples have access to facilities, institutions and benefits that 'normal' Australians do not.

NSW has the ADA (1977) and the Commonwealth has the RHA (1995) to protect against discrimination and due to the existance of these acts, and such bodies as the HREOC (CTH) and Anti-Discrimination Tribunal (NSW), I do not think that ATSI people should get the benefits they have as i think it only widens the social divide... even though it may combat the economic divide.

i think that social attitudes should be attacked such that ATSI people and other portions of the Australian community can live together sans tension, sans hatred.
 

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um.. said:
oh i agree totally. printing more money will help us out of any economic crises!
Howard did it in the late 80's.

Regardless of what I believe are poor, short-sighted economic policies, and what ae potentially divise policies on ethnic Australians, Hanson makes a number of valid points based upon Aboriginals. The problem is she doesn't offer alternative means to fix the issues that face Aborigines.

Personally I feel that aid to Aborigines needs to be approached differently :

The majority of Aboriginals do not want handouts because they realise that welfare is killing them. This quote says it all: "If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish you feed him for a lifetime."
She has a point there.

Also, it should be noted that while her economic policies are flawed, they are targetted at low-skilled, low paid workers, a high proportion of which are ethnic Australians and Aboriginal.
 
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