With point one I was actually trying to argue for something that wouldn't annoy theists or athiests so that I had a reason for the rest of the post.
Yea ok but it was ludacris so I pointed it out to you.
Put it this way: Bad things have been done in the name of Christianity, but it is in the past, let it stay there. Nearly all Chrisitians I've met are as I described them (actually I can't remember a single exception but there probably was one). I see Chrisitians doing a lot of good, I don't see that many doing bad.
Let me put it the way I did in my former post - these people while I'm sure living nice live etc, are affecting all of us in negative ways.
I didn't go to a Christian school, I went to a government school and I can't say whether it is better than a Christian school but there were happenings that lead people down bad routes there.
I dunno what you're going on about here but I was just pointing out that I actually
do know quite a bit about christianity and I
do and
have hung out with alot of christians.
Secularism isn't going to create a perfect society. People who believe in nothing are more dangerous in some ways than people who believe in the illogical (exceptions to this are obvious).
How do Secularists 'believe in nothing' ? I believe in alot of things and I have faith in alot of things, I do have assumptions they are just reasoned assumptions.
Our society seems to be going down the route where it worships capitalism, consumerism and selfishness to the demerit of everything else. Sad but true.
Um and who are the people on the whole whom are pushing this sort of attitude? Is it the atheists? see: religious right, see: hillsong.
Either way I don't see the connection between atheism and consumerism.
Oh, and there is something I heard that perhaps ought to be repeated. With regards to people at a Christian school: Our parents and our teachers think we're Christian and that's all there is to it.
Sounds like a convenient way for you to claim you know 'real' christians and I don't - But I really don't care for this sort of Rhetorical argument you are presenting me with.
Christianity might pervade into your life and annoy you and you have every right to try and denounce it. However, what I was actually asking was directed at our muslim posters and the other defenders of islam: Why, when this thread is about islam, is Christianity constantly bought up. It seems like a case of pointing the finger at someone else so that the accused is able to escape answering the questions.
You make a decent point there and I have noted it somewhat also, but all faiths do this... it's not unique to the muslims.
There are other threads discussing religion that Christianity can be talked about on and if you want create a thread about comparing religions or whatever, but don't take the focus of islam when it faces a question it has no answer for by going off topic and forgetting the real, unanswered issues.
These threads flow naturally, often because of people like you whom don't really argue properly and just say a whole bunch of rhetoric over and over again so we have to continue to divert our attention to some new argument.
Sorry if I seem overzealous but I was just reading the letters in the Australian and some of them mentioned this cartoon fiasco and I'm pretty riled about the double standards going on and the apparent appeasement of islam to the detriment of Western ideals.
It's ok.
Yeah, and science is built upon a whole lot of unproven assumptions, or rather premises. I am referring to Descartes. It's an interesting problem and I suppose one that is conclusively unsolvable.
Well this isn't actually much of a problem for scientists because they work based on provisional truths and 'best answers'. Scientists have never claimed to be able to prove anything to the point where there is no doubt, they just use what knowledge we have to provide the best answer possible. If I say right now, that there is no purple elephant in existance - then I am provisionally correct, because as far as we know and from what evidence we have about elephants there are no purple ones.... Now even if later on we do find a purple elephant, this does not change the fact that what I said before was provisionally true even if ultimately it was not.
