Muslim People in Australia (2 Viewers)

[erawamai]

I see where you are getting your stuff form guys. But may I ask a few questions myself?
Why did the universe begin? Not jsut big bang. but hwy big bang? you get me...!
Why do trees give us air?--Carbondioxide to Oxygen coverters.
Why does it rain? Why is the process the way it is?

I think you can answer those questions with a google search.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Why do trees give us air?--Carbondioxide to Oxygen coverters.

Well creatures on earth just adapted to oxygen, it didn't have to be oxygen tho really...

Seriously tho, these questions of 'why' automatically imply that there is some sort of guiding force.

 

[SashatheMan]

I see where you are getting your stuff form guys. But may I ask a few questions myself?

Why did the universe begin? Not jsut big bang. but hwy big bang? you get me...!
Why do trees give us air?--Carbondioxide to Oxygen coverters.
Why does it rain? Why is the process the way it is?

That should get u started.

ok ill work with you. and pretend god made it all. so why did he create it ?

 

[veterandoggy]

ok ill work with you. and pretend god made it all. so why did he create it ?

maybe to give us an environment that we can worship him in? ill let googooloo answer it, since it is directed to her.

 

[googooloo]

The Islamic view toward the universe is an intellectual, scientific view that creates the human emotions and feelings toward the greatness of Allah the creator. It also creates emotions and feelings toward the smallness of the human being and his weakness in front of this universe, which leads to the necessity to submit to Allah (S.W.T.).

Surat al Dukhan, Verses 38-39
"We have not created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, for mere play, We created them not except with truth, but most of the do not know."

Surat al Anbiya’, Verses 16-17
"We have not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for mere play. If We wanted to create aimless things, we would have done it if we were going to do (that)."

The holy Qur’an demands man to think and reflect upon the creation of Allah, to reach to the oneness of Allah and to submit exclusively to Allah. Allah (S.W.T.) says in

Surat A-Zummar, (Verses 62-63 & 67)
"Allah is the Creator of all things, and he is the Wakil, (Trustee, Dospose of affairs, Guardian, etc.) over all things. To Him belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth. And those who disbelieve in the Ayat, (proofs, signs, etc.) of Allah, such are they who will be the losers. They made not a just estimate of Allah such as is due to Him. And on the Day of Resurrection the earth, as a whole will be grasped by His fist and the heavens will be rolled up in His Right. Glorified be He, and High is He above all that they associate as partners with Him!"

There are important effects of this Islamic view toward universe upon Tarbiyah (upbringing):
1- The attachment of the Muslim to the creator of this universe and to the most noble goal in this life and that is the total submission to Allah.
2- Bringing the human being up with seriousness because the whole universe was created upon the truth and was created for a purpose and to a certain demise known only by Allah.

 

[googooloo]

The whole universe is in the service of man:

Surat Luqman, (Verse 20)
"Do you not see that Allah made available for you all what is in the skies and what is in the earth, flooded you with many blessings known and unknown."

Surat Ibrahim, (Verses 32-34)
"Allah is the one who created the heavens and the earth and released from the sky water from which he made fruits as a sustenance for you, and made available for you the ships to float in the sea and made available for you the rivers, and made available for you the sun and the moon incessantly in motion and made available for you the night and the day, and gave you everything you asked for, and if you count the blessings of Allah, you will not be able to count them. Man is indeed oppressive and disbelieving."

Surat al Nahal, (Verses 12-18)
"And He made available for you the night and the day and the sun and the moon and the stars all obedient to him. Indeed, there are signs in this to people who have minds. And what he spread for you on earth of different colors. Indeed, there is a great sign in this for people who remember, and He is the one who made available the sea from which you eat soft meat and make from it garments to wear. You see the ships sailing in it, and to make your living from His blessings and so you may thank Him, and planted in the earth mountains so that the earth will be stable and rivers and pathways so you may be guided, and signs and with stars they are guided, Is that who does not create like the one who does?! Do you not remember, and if you count the bounties of Allah, you will not be able to count them. Allah is the Forgiving and the Compassionate."

All these verses and others in the holy Qur’an raise man to be grateful to Allah and to recognize His Care, His Mercy and His Greatness so he will be driven to thank Allah, glorify Him and submit to Him.

 

[googooloo]

The universe is subjected to certain absolute laws that Allah (S.W.T.) made according to certain predestination prescribed by Allah.

Surat Yasin, (Verses 37-40)
"And a sign for them is the night, We withdraw there from the day, and behold, they are in darkness. And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the Decree of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. And the moon, We have measured for it mansions (to traverse) till it returns like the old dried curved date stalk. It is not for the sun to catch up with the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit."

The fact that the sun and the moon are each in a well-defined orbit is all made according to universal laws that Allah created. Allah (S.W.T) says:

Surat al Hujur, (Verses 19-21)
"And the earth we made it unfolded and planted in it mountains and made some plants in it to make balanced and made in it your living and those whom you are not providing sustenance for. And there is nothing but we have its treasures and we do not release but with a well known portion."
Everything alive on earth has their share of sustenance well accounted for by Allah who does not release it but with a well defined portion.

And also Allah (S.W.T.) taught man reckoning, calculations from the alternations of the day and the night. Allah (S.W.T) says:

Surat Al-Isra’, (Verse 12)
"And we made the night and day two signs; we erased the sign of the night and made the sign of the day clear for you to make your living from the blessings of Allah, and to know the number of years and reckoning (calculations), and everything was well explained."

All this has a great and important effect upon Tarbiyah; the Qur’an raised the mind of the Muslim upon the fact that the occurrence of the same events is done according to fixed laws made by Allah (S.W.T.) and He (S.W.T.) is the one who can change it if He wants. Also, these laws of this universe and its events and its beings were released by Allah (S.W.T.) with a well known portion. This way, the Muslim mind is raised to be accurate and to base everything on a standard.

 

[googooloo]

The universe is ruled and watched over by Allah (S.W.T.): Allah (S.W.T.), who made the laws of the universe, is still ruling it and watching over it.

Surat al Hajj, (Verse 65)
"And He withholds the sky from falling upon the earth except by His permission."

Surat Fatir, (Verse 41)
"Allah withholds the skies and the earth from crumbling, and if they crumble, who can hold them after Him, Indeed he is ever most Forbearing and Oft- forgiving."

The human, a tiny part of this universe, is also subjected in his life and death to the well defined ending of Allah. Allah (S.W.T.) says:

Surat al An’aam, (Verse 61)
"And he is the Irresistible, Supreme over his servants, and he sends to you guardians (angels) over you and when death comes to one of you, our messengers (angels) would take his soul and they never neglect their duty."

Also, Allah (S.W.T.) created social laws for man’s life, and sends messengers to enforce them, and torture some nations and perish others. Allah (S.W.T.) says:

Surat Al-Ra’ad, (Verse 11)
"Verily! Allah does not change the situation of a people as long they do not change their state of themselves. And if Allah wants to harm some people, no one can stop it and they will not find besides Him a protector."

Surat Al-Imran, (Verse 137)
"Many similar events happened before you, so walk over the earth and see the punishment of the disbelievers."

 

[googooloo]

The whole universe is surrendered with obedience to Allah:

Surat al Baqarah, (Verse 116)
"For him is all what is in the skies and what is on earth; all are surrendered with obedience to Him."

Surat al Isra’, (Verse 44)
"The seven heavens glorify him, and so does the earth and what is in them, and there is nothing but glorifies Allah, but you do not comprehend their glorification."

This has a great effect on the Tarbiyah of man because all beings are obedient and submissive to their Lord. So, man should be the first to submit and obey Allah and to become a harmonious part of the whole universe participating in the glorification of Allah.

 

[Generator]

What the bloody hell? Jesus bloody christ that's a lot of religious mumbo jumbo!

 

[erawamai]

I really should start a religion

 

[Not-That-Bright]

googooloo, perhaps you can provide me with some verses from the koran which will give me a better understanding of what god's position is on rape within marriage?

 

[googooloo]

There should be no rape I hope..I will search for you, since you have been so polite and asked a sensable question along with this politeness.

As for the other two, if you read and take it in you will inderstand...I have a joke since you mentioned jesus christ....(from Billy COnnaly's world tour of NZ)

He was in the parachut part of the army. During training they were told to pull their back up parachut if the first one failed, adnif that one failed, you shouted "ALLAH ALLAH SAVE ME!"

So, during an exercise, one guy, his parachut wouldn't open, so he turn to his back-up parachut. That didn't open either. So he shouted out "ALLAH ALLAH SAVE ME!"
So a big brown hand came out the sky, took him and placed him on the ground.
When he reached the safety of the earth he said "Thank jesus christ for htat," and a big black foot then stepped on him....
LOL! ahh, humor.

 

[xeuyrawp]

googooloo, perhaps you can provide me with some verses from the koran which will give me a better understanding of what god's position is on rape within marriage?

Wouldn't it be easier to inundate her with things like:

Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will,

-- 2:223; I love it how the entire Koran's addressed to men ('Your' = 'Men's'), as if women shouldn't be allowed to read it.

men are a degree above them [women]

-- 2.228

And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women,

-- 2.282; ie, men are worth twice as women.

As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness [sexual activity], call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them] -- 4:15

O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries

-- 33:50; ie, The Prophet can have any woman that he pays for.

And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.

-- 33:36; in context of marriage, once The Prophet, Allah, and a man decide a woman must marry, it is final.

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other,

-- 4:34; not to mention the part about allowing to beat them...

They invoke in His stead only females; they pray to none else than Satan, a rebel

-- 4:117; Satan can only entice the stupid females.

[women], who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way.

-- 4:98; woman are stupid and can't devise a plan.

And his [Lot's] people came unto him, running towards him - and before then they used to commit abominations - He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you.

-- 11:78; Lot gives his pure daughters to stop the mob.

Successful are the believers who ... Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy,

-- 23:1-6; yeah, you have to save your slav-- I mean, wives, because they are stupid and can't be blamed.

Etc, etc...

 

[xeuyrawp]

You could say that history is often greatly exaggerated. Eg chances are there was a person named Jesus, and he kicked up a huge fuss, but his life is probably exaggerated through the recording of alleged miracles.

My bet, as a history student, is that Jesus simply created a new school of Judaism; of which he was highly praised.

The huge explosion of Christianity in late antiquity marks the time when everyone forgot the true nature of Jesus.

 

[veterandoggy]

Wouldn't it be easier to inundate her with things like:

-- 2:223; I love it how the entire Koran's addressed to men ('Your' = 'Men's'), as if women shouldn't be allowed to read it.

-- 2.228

-- 2.282; ie, men are worth twice as women.

As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness [sexual activity], call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them] -- 4:15

-- 33:50; ie, The Prophet can have any woman that he pays for.

-- 33:36; in context of marriage, once The Prophet, Allah, and a man decide a woman must marry, it is final.

-- 4:34; not to mention the part about allowing to beat them...

-- 4:117; Satan can only entice the stupid females.

-- 4:98; woman are stupid and can't devise a plan.

-- 11:78; Lot gives his pure daughters to stop the mob.

-- 23:1-6; yeah, you have to save your slav-- I mean, wives, because they are stupid and can't be blamed.

Etc, etc...

you take a line which needs the adjacent ones with explanations to show that you are right. unfortunately for people like you even if we showed you the reasons those verses were reveales and how you misinterpreted it you will turn a blind eye and keep on using them on people that do not know islam to stir up many misconceptions that they add to their already overflowing pot.

and as for the thing that some verses have different interpretations, they are only few, but the interretors dont denounce the other interpretations.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Whatever veterandoggy, you call misconceptions, then we should you working examples of it in islamic nations practicing sharia law, you claim they are wrong, but cannot show us any reason to believe they are wrong.

 

[veterandoggy]

Whatever veterandoggy, you call misconceptions, then we should you working examples of it in islamic nations practicing sharia law, you claim they are wrong, but cannot show us any reason to believe they are wrong.

sorry that didnt make sense, try replacing the word should

give me some examples to see what youre trying to say.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

should = show.

 

[veterandoggy]

i figured it out after a long stare, but you cant really say that the "islamic" countries are steadfast to shariah law. i would class them as somewhat corrupted, and being flexible when it comes to what they enforce in shariah contributes to this.