Obama rocks 200,000 in Berlin (2 Viewers)

[A High Way Man]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1826734,00.html?cnn=yes

"Lord, protect my family and me," Obama wrote. "Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will."

uh oh.. sounds a lot like 43

 

[Slidey]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1826734,00.html?cnn=yes



uh oh.. sounds a lot like 43

It's not exactly rare for presidents and prime ministers to be religious you know?

 

[A High Way Man]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080726/pl_afp/usvote_080726070534;_ylt=AsrwIcDGIJnmtZv3O23muppbbBAF

Americans don't give a flying fuck about what eurotrash think of who American president should be.

polls are bullshit. one minnesota poll has obama up by 12, another by 2. also, you're discounting the bradley effect/reverse bradley effect. i think this election will be quite close, but i think obama is the better candidate.

the MSM are the architects of this presidential race. they want it to be as CLOSE as possible in order to garner more viewers. after obamas triumph in europe, mccain's going to have all the attention now in order to restore the "balance" and increase their ratings.

 

[A High Way Man]

It's not exactly rare for presidents and prime ministers to be religious you know?

I don't doubt that, it's just... Presidents' thinking they're doing the Lords' work? Leave that to the priests.

 

[Slidey]

polls are bullshit. one minnesota poll has obama up by 12, another by 2. also, you're discounting the bradley effect/reverse bradley effect. i think this election will be quite close, but i think obama is the better candidate.

the MSM are the architects of this presidential race. they want it to be as CLOSE as possible in order to garner more viewers. after obamas triumph in europe, mccain's going to have all the attention now in order to restore the "balance" and increase their ratings.

Interestingly, though, not one poll puts McCain in the lead. Obama is always ahead by an average of 5% or so.

Also:

A 2008 study of 133 gubernatorial and Senate elections from 1989 to 2006 found that the [Bradley] effect had largely disappeared by the mid-1990s.

Vanush: Well he supports evolution and generally seems a fairly non-fundamentalist person, so I'm pretty sure it's just a generic prayer on his part to pull the theist crowd.

 

[sam04u]

There was no 'progressive socialist government'.

Wikipedia

Some are of the opinion that the 1978 Khalq uprising against the government of Daoud Khan was essentially a resurgence by the Ghilzai tribe of the Pashtun against the Durrani (the tribe of Daoud Khan and the previous monarchy).[51]

Once in power, the PDPA moved to permit freedom of religion and carried out an ambitious land reform, waiving farmers' debts countrywide. They also made a number of statements on women’s rights and introduced women to political life. A prominent example was Anahita Ratebzad, who was a major Marxist leader and a member of the Revolutionary Council. Ratebzad wrote the famous New Kabul Times editorial (May 28, 1978) which declared: “Privileges which women, by right, must have are equal education, job security, health services, and free time to rear a healthy generation for building the future of the country .... Educating and enlightening women is now the subject of close government attention.”[52]

The majority of people in the cities including Kabul either welcomed or were ambivalent to these policies. However, the secular nature of the government made it unpopular with religiously conservative Afghans in the villages and the countryside, who favoured traditionalist 'Islamic' restrictions on women's rights and in daily life.

The U.S. saw the situation as a prime opportunity to weaken the Soviet Union. As part of a Cold War strategy, in 1979 the United States government (under President Jimmy Carter and National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski) began to covertly fund and train anti-government Mujahideen forces through the Pakistani secret service known as Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), with the intention of provoking Soviet intervention, (according to Brzezinski).[53] The Mujahideen belonged to various different factions, but all shared, to varying degrees, a similarly conservative 'Islamic' ideology.

In March 1979 Hafizullah Amin took over as prime minister, retaining the position of field marshal and becoming vice-president of the Supreme Defence Council. Taraki remained President and in control of the Army. On 14 September, Amin overthrew Taraki, who died or was killed.

Interesting theme, BTW. It's a shame the Cold War fucked up the first and last true example of communism (the Soviet union) and spawned the corrupt little entities you see claiming to be communist today (China, North Korea, Turkmenistan...). I'm not sure if communism (in the true Marxist sense) could have worked, because it was never really given a chance.

Afghanistan is at the heart of the Cold War. >_>

 

[A High Way Man]

Interestingly, though, not one poll puts McCain in the lead. Obama is always ahead by an average of 5% or so.

Also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect#Barack_Obama_and_the_.22reverse.22_Bradley_effect

Meh. Don't discount the closet racists. Don't discount GOP treachery. Even if Obama has a genuine lead entering November, this election will be closer than expected. The MSM wouldn't want people knowing for sure who the President will be x months before November 4th, would they?

 

[Slidey]

Wikipedia

Post-Cold-War, dude.

Afghanistan is at the heart of the Cold War. >_>

Um, so? I was talking about communism and your sig/avatar with that point, not Afghanistan.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

John Kerry was also popular in Europe yet Bush won. The opinion of europeans or rest of the world are as important as cockroach to Americans.

 

[A High Way Man]

Vanush: Well he supports evolution and generally seems a fairly non-fundamentalist person, so I'm pretty sure it's just a generic prayer on his part to pull the theist crowd.

Amazing foresight from Obama. He probably deserves to win if he somehow knew that some student from Jerusalem would find his note stuffed in the wall.

 

[Slidey]

Amazing foresight from Obama. He probably deserves to win if he somehow knew that some student from Jerusalem would find his note stuffed in the wall.

I just bothered to read the link.

It makes me even more amazed that you're getting worked up about it - it's a private prayer of strength. It doesn't say anything about desire to take over the world or cleanse it in God's name or anything. There are no implicit delusions of grandeur. Seriously, does being atheist mean hating every single facet of religion and spirituality to you?

 

[sam04u]

Post-Cold-War, dude.

What exactly do you mean? This was during the Cold War... read the article. They Mujahideen (which later became the Taliban) overthrew the progressive socialist government. The Mujahideen were supported by the U.S (Operation Cyclone - Jimmy Carter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War#.22Second_Cold_War.22_.281979.E2.80.9385.29

 

[A High Way Man]

Huh? I don't even hold atheism in high esteem (anymore). I have many religious friends, and have been to Hillsong congregations. I jsut believe strongly in secular government.

 

[Slidey]

What exactly do you mean? This was during the Cold War... read the article. They Mujahideen (which later became the Taliban) overthrew the progressive socialist government. The Mujahideen were supported by the U.S (Operation Cyclone - Jimmy Carter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War#.22Second_Cold_War.22_.281979.E2.80.9385.29

First of all, the Mujahideen warlords did not form the Taliban; the Taliban formed to overthrow the Mujahideen warlords. Second, I'm talking about after the Cold War, like I said last post. Lots of shit happened during the Cold War on all fronts, and personally I'm not a fan of living that far in the past, otherwise we'd be still be villifying Turkey, Germany and Russia to this day for crimes most of their population is probably too young to even remember.

I jsut believe strongly in secular government.

Good, but again, I don't see how his private prayer goes against secular government. *shrug*

 

[sams057]

Dude, he sunk a fuckin three pointer in front of the troops

i cant remember where i read it, (politico i think in one of the comments for obama's afghanistan or iraq visit) but one of the soldiers there said that obama was all happy and smiling for the cameras and then when it came to greeting the troops he didnt even do that, he apparently snubbed them..and then he played basketball for the cameras...lol the guys a media whore, and the thing is he's good at it, but i still like him