Paris Terror Attack (4 Viewers)

[hypermax]

yes the reason islamic countries are poor and backward compared to the west is because muslims are so enlightened

no one claimed so.....

 

[SylviaB]

http://community.boredofstudies.org/3/non-school/254542/thread-never-ends-1986.html#post6861530

 

[Kiraken]

We never see any denouncement or leadership of muslims against their own kind. Muslims should seek to deregister and excommunicate from their religion those who do not fit what the consensus of scholars believe is the word of god.

Catholics, Protestants and jews do this. Muslims are happy to tolerate within their own communities mufti's calling women uncovered meat. They are happy to say one thing to western media in english and another in arabic. They think we are too stupid to realise.

If those terrorists do things in the name of islam, we dont want to see islam. If having moderate islamic people in Australia as a consequence means that occassionally we will have radicals shooting people, we dont want to see it.

Eventually all western countries will take France's lead and take measures that prevent islam from featuring so prominently in our society since they cannot peacefully coexist with anything that goes against its values.

This is not just 'extremists', this is history throughout the world. Whereever islam is next to a different culture, it attempts to destroy that culture and dominate it.

Western civilisation is the most powerful, liberal and enlightened culture in the entire world. We will only tolerate you for so long, and allow our freedoms to be infringed until we put our foot down and say enough is enough.

actually Muslim leaders around the world have denounced practically every terrorist attack

You just hear about the ones that don't because obviously they are more controversial and get more hits for the media

 

[SylviaB]

Islam is a beautiful religion. All religions pertain some form of beauty. It doesn't matter what religion or colour a terrorist is.

It does matter when terrorism in the west is perpetrated almost exclusively by one religious group, because this factor can be used ot help prevent future attacks.

"oh look at that another terrorist attack by an individual. I wonder why these individuals keep attacking us. Oh well, I guess we'll never know"

It is the crime and the context and motives that should be accounted for when condemning the terrorist.

Yes we should account for the fact that muslims were really butthurt about some drawings before we're too harsh on terrorists.

Although in this case, the 'terrorist' has killed in the name of Allah, it does not mean God has accepted him to be a great man.

It doesn't matter whether this is approved in islam or not. The fact is that nearly all western terrorism is perpetrated by people motivated by their islamic beliefs.

Islam has not encouraged him. The Quran states that: "To you be your religion, to me by mine."
I don't think anyone has the right to condemn the entire religion of Islam for the actions of a few men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Banu_Qurayza

yeah religion of peace bruh

 

[SylviaB]

http://www.alternet.org/culture/jesuischarlie-no-im-really-not-charlie-hebdo-heres-why

more leftist victim blaming

this is fucking revolting

 

[Kiraken]

http://www.alternet.org/culture/jesuischarlie-no-im-really-not-charlie-hebdo-heres-why

more leftist victim blaming

this is fucking revolting

no it isn't, read the conclusion

"But I will defend their right to exist and condemn what happened to them with every fiber of my being as well. But I just cannot say #IAmCharlieHebdo."

The author is pointing out the difference between agreeing to what some people did and defending their right to do that. I don't agree with Charlie Hebdo's cartoons and I do not support the cartoons themselves, that doesn't at all mean that their right to publish those cartoons shouldn't be defended. I do not ascribe to the JeSuisCharlie movement simply because I feel it supports the cartoons themselves. I do however support 100% their *right* to publish said cartoons.

 

[SylviaB]

these people aren't even in the fucking ground yet and they're being criticized for their actions

 

[Amundies]

I think this thread has incited a lot of religious hate and should be closed.

Pretty sure it's the extremists who are inciting the religious hate.

There would still be religious hate if this thread was closed. There would NOT be religious hate (on this scale anyway) if extremists didn't exist.

 

[SylviaB]

The ones inciting hatred and the muslims and their leftist allies victim blaming the people who were murdered in cold blood.

It's wrong to kill people because your feelings are hurt. If you add "but" afterwards, then you're a terrorist apologist and a victim blamer.

 

[SylviaB]

unbelievable

 

[hypermax]

unbelievable

Have you watched what happened in the past 2 days, the terrorists haven't been caught. If i was a journalist and I had to talk about this issue, I would take every precaution not to post a cartoon which might offend a certain fundamentalist group

 

[hypermax]

The ones inciting hatred and the muslims and their leftist allies victim blaming the people who were murdered in cold blood.

It's wrong to kill people because your feelings are hurt. If you add "but" afterwards, then you're a terrorist apologist and a victim blamer.

Whos being a terrorist apologist

 

[PakiPrince]

We never see any denouncement or leadership of muslims against their own kind. Muslims should seek to deregister and excommunicate from their religion those who do not fit what the consensus of scholars believe is the word of god.

Catholics, Protestants and jews do this. Muslims are happy to tolerate within their own communities mufti's calling women uncovered meat. They are happy to say one thing to western media in english and another in arabic. They think we are too stupid to realise.

If those terrorists do things in the name of islam, we dont want to see islam. If having moderate islamic people in Australia as a consequence means that occassionally we will have radicals shooting people, we dont want to see it.

Eventually all western countries will take France's lead and take measures that prevent islam from featuring so prominently in our society since they cannot peacefully coexist with anything that goes against its values.

This is not just 'extremists', this is history throughout the world. Whereever islam is next to a different culture, it attempts to destroy that culture and dominate it.

Western civilisation is the most powerful, liberal and enlightened culture in the entire world. We will only tolerate you for so long, and allow our freedoms to be infringed until we put our foot down and say enough is enough.

Firstly, everything you said is funny. Its simply false, wrong, and makes me laugh. It also reflects your stubbornness and your bigoted attitude

Underlined in bold - Isn't that an infringement of freedom of expression then? As usual, double standards by people like you.

Islam will always stay. The days of the Zionist Jews, Sunni Wahhabis (aka by you as islamic terrorists), American/ other white imperialists (all who are best friends with each other) , and ALL religious fanatics are numbered. It is evil in every form that we need to work on removing.

95% of victims of terrorist attacks are MUSLIM. SO you can tell, it is Muslims themselves who suffer the consequences of this Islamic terrorism. We all (the media, governments, activists, ordinary people etc) need to work together rather than segregating groups and creating more turmoil.

 

[Amundies]

Firstly, everything you said is funny. Its simply false, wrong, and makes me laugh. It also reflects your stubbornness and your bigoted attitude

Underlined in bold - Isn't that an infringement of freedom of expression then? As usual, double standards by people like you.

Islam will always stay. The days of the Zionist Jews, Sunni Wahhabis (aka by you as islamic terrorists), American/ other white imperialists (all who are best friends with each other) are numbered.

Dude chill out. You sound like you're about to start a war or something. Also good job with the racism: "white imperialists".

 

[Kiraken]

Firstly, everything you said is funny. Its simply false, wrong, and makes me laugh. It also reflects your stubbornness and your bigoted attitude

Underlined in bold - Isn't that an infringement of freedom of expression then? As usual, double standards by people like you.

Islam will always stay. The days of the Zionist Jews, Sunni Wahhabis (aka by you as islamic terrorists), American/ other white imperialists (all who are best friends with each other) are numbered.

Ur an idiot

 

[PakiPrince]

Dude chill out. You sound like you're about to start a war or something. Also good job with the racism: "white imperialists".

There's no racism there. White imperialists refers to those Whites who want the West to be the Imperialist force in the world and other races as slaves/below.

I basically said : The days of evil are numbered. Whether they be stupid religious fanatics (from Islam or otherwise), whther they be Zionist Jews or American imperialists.

 

[nerdasdasd]

This thread right now..

 

[PakiPrince]

Ur an idiot

What's your problem?

What did i say wrong? I was pointing out a fallacy in that guy's argument where he stated that Islam should be removed from featuring in society. Is that not going against freedom of expression

Don't tell me you sympathise with Zionists or Sunni Wahhabis...

 

[PakiPrince]

I find it ironic that you, named "pakiprince" are defending the actions of Muslims. I agree that there are moderate Muslims and only a minority are "extremists" but how does one distinguish between them, truth is you can't, not until it is too late. As a result every country occupied by Muslims has terrorism problems in the name of Islam. You're also saying that the attack was justified because of the cartoons by Charlie Hebdo, which is bullshit-we are entitled to freedom of speech. This means we are allowed to say what we will of Islam without the fear of being attacked. Hopefully you realise that Charlie Hebdo also published comics that are offensive to Christians and Jews BUT for some reason these two religious groups didn't react by blazing guns and killing innocents in the name of their religion. Terrorism attacks by Muslims in the name of Islam have been happening frequently in recent years and will continue to happen especially when dumbfucks such as yourself make excuses for their attacks. You may as well say the Peshawar school massacre was justified as well, which I know you won't because of your posts in another thread. So why do you have double standards to what is "acceptable" or justified. Terrorism is terrorism. Anyway here are some statistics you can look at.

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/20...t-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/poll-nearly-half-of-us-muslims-believe.html

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam...imjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian Muslims Poll Nov 04/Guardian Muslims Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much...new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/


Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/05/that-tiny-percentage-of-radical-muslims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1154

There is a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Also if freedom of speech applies to everyone, why is it that religious clothing (such as the hijab and sikh turban) are banned in France. Why is it that in America, 'negative' publications of Jews/Israel is limited and branded anti Semitic.

You should also note that Pew (a main publisher of statistics) is run by Jews. They can make up any shit, how do you know? Why blindly believe in these statistics.

 

[SylviaB]

Whos being a terrorist apologist

pakiprince, for one