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ok ok ill keep on the topis of polygamy.

but first i want to say dont accuse me of making my own opinions, when i present the most locical thing that comes out of what i see.

i see muhammad sexing a 9 year old, then i look at all the evidence you provide to me to justify it and i see it as irrelavent or garbage because you use circular reasoning, so i continue to make my first opinion that he is a phedophile.

then i look at the idea of him having 9 wives, and that he told everyone else that god revealed to him to only have a max of four but he him self is alound more. Then i think how can you be so sure that he wasnt lying about god telling him. theres absolutly no evidence apart from his own mouth that god told him. It leads me to question his credability. i mean if someone else made a claim as such , its almost always dismissed as a lie, but you seem to think because he him self said he was a gods messanger then it must be true. and yuo try to justify that he really is a prophet with more ciruclar reasoning.
for example i say i am a certified doctor, which is a lie obviously. and i tell someone to take medication which is completely wrong, and becuase that person thinks i am a real doctor he believes me completely. and if after that person questions my authenticity, i tell him i am a real doctor without evidence , then he would continue to think i am a real doctor. However every doctor has a certificate to prove to people they are a real doctor. mohummad had no tangible evidence that proved that god told him. His only evidence was his big mouth.

so dont use the claim that what muhammad said must be true becuase its from almighty god who told him, becuase i once again point out yuor going in circles.

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back to the subject of polygamy.

i think in the western countries even if polygamy was legal, women would have enough rights to stand up and protest against it, becuase polygamy objectifies women as sex objects and decreases the relationship between husband and wife , becuase having more then one wife is just not emotionally fair for the wife, she would not feel as important as a monogamous marriage. i tihnk that in places that allows polygamy, the women have no basic rights and are taught at an early age that polygamy is whats right and whats accapted and told there will be punishments if they dont abide. This makes the women fear to uprise and say that its not what they want, and polygamy becomes allowed
 
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SashatheMan said:
Then i think how can you be so sure that he wasnt lying about god telling him. theres absolutly no evidence apart from his own mouth that god told him. It leads me to question his credability. i mean if someone else made a claim as such , its almost always dismissed as a lie, but you seem to think because he him self said he was a gods messanger then it must be true. and yuo try to justify that he really is a prophet with more ciruclar reasoning.
dude, we already told you that he was called the honest and the trustworthy by the non-muslims before and even after his proclamation of islam. why would you need more credibility of his speech than that?
 

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veterandoggy said:
dude, we already told you that he was called the honest and the trustworthy by the non-muslims before and even after his proclamation of islam. why would you need more credibility of his speech than that?

No they didnt. Quraish people hated him through out his teachings. they tried to assasinate him or prosecute him , hence why he fled.
 

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SashatheMan said:
No they didnt. Quraish people hated him through out his teachings. they tried to assasinate him or prosecute him , hence why he fled.
they did that because he was converting their people and he had made "outrageous" claims, such as the slave being equal to the slave owner, and males being equal to females. and he also had the son denouncing that which his forefathers believed in.

oh, and everyone still called him the honest and trustworthy. even the leaders who, as you have mentioned, were trying to assassinate him and prosecute him.
 

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ok ok ill keep on the topis of polygamy.


i think in the western countries even if polygamy was legal, women would have enough rights to stand up and protest against it, becuase polygamy objectifies women as sex objects and decreases the relationship between husband and wife , becuase having more then one wife is just not emotionally fair for the wife, she would not feel as important as a monogamous marriage. i tihnk that in places that allows polygamy, the women have no basic rights and are taught at an early age that polygamy is whats right and whats accapted and told there will be punishments if they dont abide. This makes the women fear to uprise and say that its not what they want, and polygamy becomes allowed
I disagree that polygamous marriages must devalue a female partner or that women would not accept it. Your statement also assumes that women would only wed into polygamy if forced and this is not true as there are a variety of places where polygamy(of both kinds - multiple husbands to a woman and multiple wives to a man) are the cultural norm and such people would think monogamy odd and quaint. In fact it would seem that the majority of cultures have a valid place for polygamous marriages:
According to the Ethnographic Atlas Codebook derived from George P. Murdock’s Ethnographic Atlas recorded the marital composition of 1231 societies, from 1960-1980. Of these societies, 186 societies were monogamous. 453 had occasional polygyny, 588 had more frequent polygyny, and 4 had polyandry.

In Hindu derived culture multiple spouses for either sex are permissable, though it is neither encouraged or discouraged, there is the obvious example of the muslim polygyny, the mormons, tibetans where polygyny and polyandry and monogamy are all practiced - though many prefer to take up polyandrous marriages, there are a variety of African cultures too that take up polygamy. It would seem then if it were such a degrading proposition then we would already be hearing of uprisings of women bound into such marriages. I simply don't see where your argument for it being so dissagreeable comes from given that it would be an optional alternative to monogamy rather than a requisite.
 

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veterandoggy said:
if i recall women are about twice as much as men, so that would mean that half the worlds women wont marry... more or less lol.
no , thats definisty wrong. theres more women in the world, but by only a few percent or something, not twice as much
 

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Let's talk about....Monogamy (scientifically)

Love like a drug, scientists say
Prairie voles develop monogamous relationships similar to humans
Falling in love is similar to a drug addiction, a US study says.

A Florida State University team found that the brain chemistry responsible for addiction plays a role in love.

Researchers said the messenger chemical dopamine, which stimulates the brain's reward centre, helps keep male Prairie voles monogamous.

Prairie voles are well known for forging long-lasting relationships, the Nature Neuroscience journal reported.

Dopamine plays a key role in attracting people back to sources of pleasure, such as good food.

It also acts to keep a drug addict hooked on heroin or cocaine.

The team decided to study Prairie voles because they, more than any other animal, show signs of falling in love in the way humans do.

Males and females bond after a single mating encounter.

After which male voles also show signs of aggression towards other females.

Researchers found that after mating, dopamine was released into the brains of males and affected an area of the brain known as nucleus accumbens, which is also present in humans.

The team then blocked the activity of a protein that is activated by dopamine in the vole's brain.

They found males lost heir usual strong preference for their mate over other females.

Lead researcher Brandon Aragona said the bond which develops between voles was extremely strong.

He said the study was the first to illustrate the way the brain reacts to prompt monogamy.

And he added while humans would differ, the basic mechanisms would be similar.

Colin Wilson, of the British Psychological Society, said: "Love is a complex emotion. Undoubtedly there are changes in neurophysiology, but it not going to be down to one chemical alone."

And he also agreed human attraction would be different to that of voles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/449876
this isn't necessary a religious argument but what do u think? so are certain religions eg. Christianity...'right' about monogamy?

i'm quite undecided myself, but something tells me monogamy might be one of those things (eg. language) that distinguish humans from animals. maybe there's a reason in the theory of evolution for this...
 
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ok about the polygamy/monogamy debate you must remeber that context(yes advanced english :) ) plays an extensive part.. but nowdays i believe that monogamy is normal and some even state that there is no other way.... and then even to extend into evolution would be a whole new thing because we can't be sure ( at least currently) about the fromation of ceratin genes and how they can be different between humans and animals
 

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TerrbleSpellor said:
Except if you're a muslim man then you can have 50 wives living in your Harem.
Males and females bond after a single mating encounter.

After which male voles also show signs of aggression towards other females.
that's a lot of muslim aggression!
 
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I seem to remember watching a doco that reckoned that monogamy in humans occurs in cycles of seven years normally, but after that long, you're so used to living with them anyway that you've become interdependant on each other. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
 

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not that familiar.

and wtf is with this thread? we already have a polygamy thread, and this no doubt with the people on this forum, is going to instantly move from "christians and monogamy" to "muslims and polygamy".

i request a mod to monitor this thread, and lock it when it becomes the aforementioned, as to stop two threads of the same thing.
 

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veterandoggy said:
i request a mod to monitor this thread, and lock it when it becomes the aforementioned, as to stop two threads of the same thing.
Comedic gold.
 

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gerhard said:
Do you think polygamy should be illegal?


On the one hand you have a practice most people would find somewhat offensive, on the other hand you are legislating against a persons right to choose for themself.


Discussion pls
well it is illegal, and I know that a person I kow who is getting married soon, her father is involved in such a thign and has to live in Singapore because it's illegal here. He lives there and visits the wife here and the his daughter (who is the one getting married) every so often. Now that sucks. So yes I would say it should be legal so thigns like that don't happen. But i may be a bit bias here as my religion accpets it. It is a way of gettign around teh cheating husband thing, bu t i know the previous wife must say it's alregiht, beuase you don't then want jealousy to be in the old wife's heart. Becuase jealousy is haraam.:uhhuh:
 

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physician said:
What all this means, is that if they were to be divorced, they would have been deprived of marriage for the rest of their lives (because u need to remember they were Muslims, and so they obeyed their Lord which means they would not get married if divorced).
I have never heard of this! You can remarry. YOu just wait 3months. Then you can search for anothe. 3months minimum so you can get over hte last one. YOu can remarry the same guy again or same woman again (which ever side of sexuality you are on.) But the woman must marry someone else first. Then if she becomes availabel again you can marry her again. But if it doesn't work out again you can never marry agin, becuase it means it is not meant to be (it's not working out:uhhuh:), and an unhappy home is no place to raise a child.
 

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googooloo said:
I have never heard of this! You can remarry. YOu just wait 3months. Then you can search for anothe. 3months minimum so you can get over hte last one. YOu can remarry the same guy again or same woman again (which ever side of sexuality you are on.) But the woman must marry someone else first. Then if she becomes availabel again you can marry her again. But if it doesn't work out again you can never marry agin, becuase it means it is not meant to be (it's not working out:uhhuh:), and an unhappy home is no place to raise a child.
whoops! your bad :)

he's talking about the prophet's wives googooloo, not women in general.
 

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Originally Posted by physician

What all this means, is that if they were to be divorced, they would have been deprived of marriage for the rest of their lives (because u need to remember they were Muslims, and so they obeyed their Lord which means they would not get married if divorced).
thats called oppression. your religion forbid them to live their life how they would desire just becuase "they were muslims"
 

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