natstar said:
Please post me a quote where I have done this. Why would I say what a professional body is saying is wrong.
AS NATSTAR WISHES HERE IT IS.
natstar said:
If you really really want to get into this field, you should have thought about applying at a private college like KvB, Billy Blue etc. They are regarded highly over universities becuase they are more specialist. No need for a UAI, just an exam/interview/portfolio
The initial problematic suggestion that clearly connotes that people should consider going to private schools over unis for design.
natstar said:
Um where did I say that you dont need a degree to get into design??? I mearly only suggested that she perhaps apply to a private college that specialises in the field (that does not require a UAI) instead of stuffing around with uni transfers that are not guaranteed. In addition, before you call my comments ignorant and unwarranted, maybe you should actually look at the fact that private providers like KvB do have bachelor degrees
http://www.kvb.edu.au/course_overview.html.
Even if she wants to get a degree form a university, she can always transfer from a private college to a university.
The attitude right after hearing what msh had to say, that absolutely proved natstar’s comment wrong.
She’s already twisting her initial sentence adding words like ‘perhaps’
Natstar gives an example of KvB which turns out to be a 3yrs degree instead of the 4 yrs recommendation that DIA has given and the information that msh shared with us.
So here she already has started arguing and denying.
natstar said:
Whos arguing? It was a suggestion.
natstar said:
I am not arguing anything. I made a suggestion. A suggestion is something that cannot be argued.
She is somehow mistaken that suggestions can’t be argued evident by the above statement and her response to Stazi’s comment.
Intial Stazi’s comment.
stazi said:
Actually, you can argue a suggestion. If someone suggested that you should cease posting on bos as you've been unhelpful, wouldn't you argue this?
intial msh’s comment.
msh said:
If I suggest you to jump off the bridge, are you going to not argue that?”
natstar said:
“No, becuase thats your personal opinion (a rather false one at that), and I couldent really give a toss what you think, therfore I would not argue it.”
That is such a silly denial considering anybody with common sense would of got that, yes, a suggestion can be argued. Such a simple concept but natstar chooses to deny it.
Here we can see her ultimate denial of the issue.
natstar said:
I am in no way how serious the thread starter is about what she wants to do with her degree, what she wants to become etc etc etc, therefore I dont give a shit about whatever the DIA says
I did not say everyone should go to private colleges (BTW I did not even mention TAFE), I made a SUGGESTION....look it up. If your not for other peoples suggestion without being rude and ignorant then an internet discussion forum is not really you. I am in no way how serious the thread starter is about what she wants to do with her degree, what she wants to become etc etc etc, therefore I dont give a shit about whatever the DIA says
LAST LINE IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HER IN DENIAL.
‘I don’t give a shit about whatever the DIA says.
This should have been the end to this argument. When msh said this.
msh said:
I wanted this thread to be on track with its topic name but ah well you called for it.
sorry NATstar, but it has been concluded way long before that yes 4 yrs degree would be the most appropriate than your suggestion.
Let me make it simple for you to understand.
DIA recommends 4yrs bachelor's degree study which is only available at university VS 'i know someone who is a graphic designer at some magazine and he didnt go to uni'
Wooo I WONDER WHO's MORE CREDIBLE. So hard deciding who to listen to isn't it. A large governing body that stands for Design Institute of Australia verses an individual that hasn't exactly succeeded that much as an example to say private schools are the way to go. You do realise what you are suggesting is totally unwarranted as you haven't got any credible/unbiased data to back it up, haven't u learnt that at uni? So just like the way you made an assumption, I'll also make one and say that the chance of a guy becoming famous and extremely successful without a degree these days is like 1 in 100,000. (I'm probably not that far off either) Logic deems that a university grad would obviously be better than a private school grad. why? just like what hellomike said, they barely touch on theory and its only practical, they will let almost anybody on board as long as they are willing to pay the money$$$$ instead of academic achievements and talent. ppl that apply to it are those who missed out due to not meeting the academic selection criterias with rich parents and thinks they are designers just because they know how to play with photoshop. Once again, like what DIA says if you are serious about design you should do a 4 yrs bachelors degree. this is NOT my opinion but a FACT straight out of an institution that stands for professional designers in australia. What's more to debate about it?
"I am in no way how serious the thread starter is about what she wants to do with her degree, what she wants to become etc etc etc, therefore I dont give a shit about whatever the DIA says"
How could you not realise how serious she is if the thread is actually about TRANSFERING from UWS to UTS. Woo I'm gonna think of transferring from UWS to UTS design for fun~ OBVIOUSLY NOT! We are DAMN SERIOUS about our future, that's why we are trying to TRANSFER. You sidetracked this topic and try to rain on us for no apparent reason and I proved this point wrong, stop trying to extend this already proved wrong issue and make this thread get back to its point!
It's very funny that you were upset that I called you ignorant and you just displayed your ignorance by saying 'i dont give a shit about whatever the DIA says.' Yeh apparently a big institution's words mean nothing to you.
(Also it's rather amusing isn't it... whilst you were sooo upset that i called you ignorant and unwarranted and I once again proved that you were. it must be really hard trying to face reality but denial isn't the way to escape )
As you can see, msh has proven to natstar on numerous occasions that natstar’s point is invalid, despite this she continues to argue.
Msh, stazi and kaiyn all picks up that everything that she says from here onwards is ridiculous and illogical.
The fact that she continued on from here and made this into an 11 page argument refusing to listen to corrections by many other bos members is the ultimate example of her in denial and acting ignorant and arrogant upsetting many other bos users like stazi and kayin as well as myself and now even superstar44.
Yet she wonders why everybody is disagreeing with her and why she is getting called names like 'stupid, ignorant, bimbo etc' and why nobody will take her seriously anymore.
