Premium Membership Pictorial Demo (2 Viewers)

[stazi]

The cost of running the site is irrelevant to its users. You already have advertising, what else do you want.
I sense profiteering, and capitalism. You are encouraging a shift to altrernative sources of information.
Foolishness. In the long run, you'd make a hell of a lot more money through advertising, but instead you are going to destroy the sites potential.

You sense profiteering and capitalism, yet you encourage advertising: a tool of profiteers and something that would only be necessary through capitalism.
...
ok?
Also, how has the site become worse for you in the (almost) month premium memberships have been active?

 

[Vahl]

Read the second post. It explains why advertising is preferable to direct payment.

 

[stazi]

correct. Through allowing for discrimination between paying and non paying members in regards to access to resources, you are in effect giving a further advantage to those students who are from wealthy backgrounds, therefore assisting the propagation and expansion of a class divide, through heightening their probability of HSC success. Thus you create a spiral whereby the standard of achievement is raised, - this is by no means a bad thing, however, stratified access to opportunity is - but what it means is that those who previously wouldn't have seen the need to pay for such access will be pressured into doing so - and putting money in your pockets - so as not to 'fall behind'

Furthermore, given that the vast majority of the resources on the website and that you will be expanding upon are in fact user submitted. You are engaging in exploitation through yielding a benefit through the labour of others. Many people will be offended by this and I suspect that this will be a catalyst for the creation of alternative, more community orientated databases that will be the demise of this website.

You guys aren't worthy of respect.

1) Wealthy? I think someone who can spare 5c/day doesn't exactly have to come from a wealthy background.
2) No one is asking these people to pay
3) You're studying law - I assume you will charge for your services? Richer people can only afford lawyers, whilst poor will have to face charges and jail terms that richer people can evade.
4) No one is pressured to pay. If you don't see yourself benefiting from the services, then you don't pay. It's that simple. Same thing goes for tutoring, study guides, etc. If someone doesn't need these, they don't purchase them.
5) You are advocating your tutoring services. Only the richer people can afford these services (especially at your rates). So you are expanding the gap that you keep mentioning, between rich and poor. Hyporcisy, much? Furthermore you say you're only tutoring for the 'experience'. Then why are you charging such prices?
6) Again, everything else remains the same. Don't pay if you don't feel the need to use these extra services.

 

[stazi]

Read the second post. It explains why advertising is preferable to direct payment.

Do you have ad blockers on? We are using advertising on our site, however it does not pay for costs incurred by the administrators.

 

[Vahl]

1) Wealthy? I think someone who can spare 5c/day doesn't exactly have to come from a wealthy background.
2) No one is asking these people to pay
3) You're studying law - I assume you will charge for your services? Richer people can only afford lawyers, whilst poor will have to face charges and jail terms that richer people can evade.
4) No one is pressured to pay. If you don't see yourself benefiting from the services, then you don't pay. It's that simple. Same thing goes for tutoring, study guides, etc. If someone doesn't need these, they don't purchase them.
5) You are advocating your tutoring services. Only the richer people can afford these services (especially at your rates). So you are expanding the gap that you keep mentioning, between rich and poor.
6) Again, everything else remains the same. Don't pay if you don't feel the need to use these extra services.

Not everyone can afford 5c a day, if you come from a single parent family dependant on welfare. Besides which, the principle is the key: and you are profiteering.

There is implicit pressure, you don't have to ask, you are relying on existing social pressures which you will heighten to essentially force people to subscribe to your service.

The concept itself is immoral. Charging students for access to opportunity. Hopefully the Labor party will come to its senses before too long, and include bannig private schools, etc along with services such as this in their policy agenda.

 

[Vahl]

Do you have ad blockers on? We are using advertising on our site, however it does not pay for costs incurred by the administrators.

Yes, I see no advertisements on this website. I don't want to be corrupted through uncontrolled exposure to capitalist stimuli.

 

[The_highwayman]

i wish for a green username, the colour of the dragon in my av.

 

[stazi]

Not everyone can afford 5c a day, if you come from a single parent family dependant on welfare. Besides which, the principle is the key: and you are profiteering.

There is implicit pressure, you don't have to ask, you are relying on existing social pressures which you will heighten to essentially force people to subscribe to your service.

The concept itself is immoral. Charging students for access to opportunity. Hopefully the Labor party will come to its senses before too long, and include bannig private schools, etc along with services such as this in their policy agenda.

So is the concept of tutoring, yet you offer it. You are profiteering. Premium memberships' goals aren't profiteering.
You also block your ads, yet say we should have more. Companies won't advertise with us if they are not getting any views.

So, to rehash, you are advocating more advertising (forced capitalist commercialisation) over the voluntary charging for services to help fund the site (voluntary funding).
You are a tutor who charges $25 to richer kids. Whilst saying that 5c/day is a lot for single families on welfare. You advocate free education and the fact that no one should get an advantage in education.
You are going to practice law, probably one of the least disrespectful careers (flame me, but it's true) from the POV of the general public. You are going to charge richer people fees to succeed in the court system of Australia over those who can't afford such services.
Yet, you seem to think that $20/year is pure exploitation, profiteering ($20/year vs $25/hour you seem to charge).

Interesting, interesting.

In conclusion, your sentiments seem to voice that BOS is a corrupt capitalist machine seeking to increase inequality in Australia. All this because of some extra services (on top of the preexisting free ones) that BOS already runs.
You are so against charging for extra education-based services that you insist on charging $25/hour for yours.
You also want Labor to pass registration getting rid of hundreds of schools around Australia (and thus having to spend countless money on the establishment of new schools - money we don't have???)
Finally, you want Labor to start legislation against people charging any money for education services - thus banning study guides, tutors (which you are one of), etc.

...logic goes where?

 

[stazi]

p.s. , by labor i think you meant the Communist Party.

 

[Logain]

Not everyone can afford 5c a day, if you come from a single parent family dependant on welfare. Besides which, the principle is the key: and you are profiteering.

Yet they can afford a computer and the internet. And if you suggest public internet such as libraries etc. Then I just have to say if you're going to be on the net so rarely than it's probably not worth the 20 dollars. And dude -- think about it -- it's 20 dollars. I'm sure the kid could save 5 dollars a week if he was DYING for it.

 

[AsyLum]

correct. Through allowing for discrimination between paying and non paying members in regards to access to resources, you are in effect giving a further advantage to those students who are from wealthy backgrounds, therefore assisting the propagation and expansion of a class divide, through heightening their probability of HSC success. Thus you create a spiral whereby the standard of achievement is raised, - this is by no means a bad thing, however, stratified access to opportunity is - but what it means is that those who previously wouldn't have seen the need to pay for such access will be pressured into doing so - and putting money in your pockets - so as not to 'fall behind'

Furthermore, given that the vast majority of the resources on the website and that you will be expanding upon are in fact user submitted. You are engaging in exploitation through yielding a benefit through the labour of others. Many people will be offended by this and I suspect that this will be a catalyst for the creation of alternative, more community orientated databases that will be the demise of this website.

You guys aren't worthy of respect.

You seem to have this inflated ego which stems from your inability to actually think logically.

How much do you think a server of this magnitude costs to run? How much do you think we get through ad clicks and advertisements?

Lets stop this 'socio-cultural' analysis of the economics of BoS. Your analysis fails on several accounts, most outlined by stas, and additionally reinforced by your relatively hypocritical view on the social economics within a capitalist society. I'm sure the admins would love to offer you the same services without the burden upon their pockets as both uni students or fresh graduates. But unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around the measly advertising revenue found within BoS. I hear that pornographic advertisements equate to more revenue, lets stick that on

Frankly, if you don't enjoy the service, don't pay for it, it has not affected you, nor will it deny you of any right of function which wasn't previously offered. The services come as a supplement rather than as a replacement arm. Get that into your head.

 

[Vahl]

You seem to have this inflated ego which stems from your inability to actually think logically.

How much do you think a server of this magnitude costs to run? How much do you think we get through ad clicks and advertisements?

Lets stop this 'socio-cultural' analysis of the economics of BoS. Your analysis fails on several accounts, most outlined by stas, and additionally reinforced by your relatively hypocritical view on the social economics within a capitalist society. I'm sure the admins would love to offer you the same services without the burden upon their pockets as both uni students or fresh graduates. But unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around the measly advertising revenue found within BoS. I hear that pornographic advertisements equate to more revenue, lets stick that on

Frankly, if you don't enjoy the service, don't pay for it, it has not affected you, nor will it deny you of any right of function which wasn't previously offered. The services come as a supplement rather than as a replacement arm. Get that into your head.

Oh come on guys, I was playing with you. You didn't have to take it all so seriously.

 

[stazi]

Oh come on guys, I was playing with you. You didn't have to take it all so seriously.

No, you weren't trolling. You realised that you couldn't win an argument and then pretended you were only joking.

 

[Vahl]

No, you weren't trolling. You realised that you couldn't win an argument and then pretended you were only joking.

I have no intention of arguing with you. You're entitled to your opinion, notwithstanding that it is wrong.

 

[stazi]

If you start offering 100% free tutoring, I will withdraw my arguments.
Also, you just said you were kidding, now that you're not kidding: awesome credibility

 

[lala2]

I think the moral of the story with premium memberships has been reiterated too many times throughout this thread--if you want it, pay it. If you don't want it, then don't, and I personally felt that I have not suffered a great loss from not paying, even though I do admit I did my HSC last year. There are still plenty of free notes out there, the forums are still open for you to post any problems, doubts, feelings, etc and seek help from, and unless you're really looking for a bigger avatar or have a massive PM contact list, premium membership is just a nice bonus for those who can (or want to) pay.

 

[davidw89]

Hey if i pay $20 a year can i get friends to use and share my account so they can pay me like $10? we share etc?

 

[The_highwayman]

Can some 'thing' be implemented where Premium members can have larger sigs and have ALL of their posts count?

 

[Riviet]

I second the larger sig idea, the 500 character limit is a bit short.

 

[breaking]

have ALL of their posts count?

why?