Private or selctive? (1 Viewer)

[InfiniteQ]

Sure, you can succeed if you work ur ass off, but being in a school that supports you and what you want to do will make success less stressful and more likely as you wont be stressed out or be going off your nut from having to work as hard independently...

Firstly, I have never once denied that a good school comprising of kids who want to succeed will be helpful. However, having said that and repeatedly, there are other places to seek help if you *are* independent. For instance, personal tutors... who work wonders.

And i know ppl are all going to disagree but ppl cannot always succeed in spite of their circumstances - that's just motivational bullshit.......its true to an extent but environment and the people you work with etc has an enormous impact upon your success

Secondly, that is absolute horseshit. You obviously haven't met people in tough circumstances that have pulled out & succeeded. "Motivational bullshit"? What the hell does that mean. The primary drive for everyone who wants to succeed in the HSC is self-motivation... how do you call that "bullshit" I don't quite understand.

 

[pri]

you really dont realise how good a selective education is until u leave unfortunately.

I went to fort street which was pretty competative, and a pretty all round school (ok yes there were pot heads in my grade but only a small handful and thats in every school..)

Im in architecture now, a very competative degree to some respect, and I dont really get stressed by the competition because of the training of 6 years in a selective school. Plus remember its an education money cant buy, ull always have it.

I guess im biased and loyal to my school, but smarter students are often more mature in a group and are easy to talk to and socialise on the whole quite well.

if I had a choice between private and selective i would chose selective in a heartbeat.

 

[glycerine]

wooo go the fort

 

[nick1048]

id go selective. i made it to some selective skool but didnt go cause of distance i regret it although my skools fine (public)

 

[Heinz]

Ahem pats, less academic? Alright its true, but the facilities are really good compared to most schools and if your in the top 3unit class, you automatically accelerate in 2unit maths, possibly 3unt maths during year 11. Although its a comprehensive school, theres still enough competition to keep you working your ass off and its always fun to be a 'big fish'. The down side is its an all guys school (duh) and in terms of state rank, Pats sucks ass. Its not even in the top 120. The school rank, however, is pointless if you're able to get close to top ranks at school anyway. Do what you want, its all the same anyway. Good rank at a not so academic school or a lower rank at a slightly better school

 

[stella8h8chang]

Okay...I won't bore you to death with my story until later, so I'll give my opinion first.

Well, I'm in a private school right now, but what I noticed is that a few of my friends who travelled for over an hour to get to school have dropped out of the private system and have gone back to a selective school which is closer to their home. So, in some ways, transport may be an issue. It also forms part of the reason I'm not at a selective...more on that later...

Yes, private schools tend to have better facilities. But it really depends on what you want to do; if you're an extra-curricular kind of person, perhaps private might be the way to go, because of the more opportunities. But if you mainly focus on studying, a selective school might provide the peers you need for that. Again, I really can't say; it's all up to you.

Now, if you don't want to be bored, skip this bit.

Basically in year 6 I had my heart set on going to James Ruse. My dad, however, was kind of against it, because it would mean I'd travel for 90 minutes one way just to get there, mainly because we don't live near a station. My mother was also against it - "you are not going to James Ruse! There will be boys there!"...anyway, they only let me put it as my first pref. because once you get Ruse, you can normally get anywhere after that...strange logic...My mother wanted me to go to North Sydney Girls, because it would mean a 30 minute ride, and it's not co-ed. My dad also thought it would be a good idea. I was still fighting for Ruse at this time, mind you. However, the tide suddenly turned on me, because I won a scholarship to where I am now, as well as a part to somewhere else (stupid religious traditions). I took that scholarship because it would avoid fighting between Ruse and North Sydney. And while I have had a handful of regrets now and then, sometimes because of the people you move around with around at this school, but apart from that, I've never looked back. My school at the moment has much better facilities, and it brought out a musical side on me that neither of the selectives could have developed. Plus, I also got a chance to take Latin here; while NSGH offers it, Ruse doesn't. This private school is also closer to home, about 15 mins away.

Anyway, that's the end of my story; hope you think about it carefully and make the right choice. I don't think anybody else should make it for you, because you are the one who needs to be happy. Got me?

 

[InfiniteQ]

and by motivational bullshit i mean its the kind of saying that people use to stop ppl feeling bad when they dont get what/where they want....anyone who says "you can do anything if you want it bad enough" is just plain wrong because there are circumstances and people who can prevent its no matter how hard you work

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one, clearly you haven't met enough people to be aware of this.

And don't make comments like "The primary drive for everyone who wants to succeed in the HSC is self-motivation..." because that's not true

No? Enlighten me to what it is then.

 

[velox]

Say a person has an IQ of 90 - you cannot honestly sit there and say they could get a 100UAI

Umm i think they could.......HSC is regurgitation, not an iq test.

 

[velox]

Well back on topic, Private offers you way more opportunities, and as long as you stay on track, you wont regret going private.

 

[InfiniteQ]

I dont need to have "met enough people" as you put it to know that it is not true that anyone can do anything they want irregardless of external influences...

I mean, if i wanted 2 be a national basketball player no matter how hard i tried i have no chance in hell because I'm 5ft4 and too unco
Say a person has an IQ of 90 - you cannot honestly sit there and say they could get a 100UAI because "anything is possible" because that's bullshit
Or if someone wants to be an internationally famous saxophonist but they're a double amputee..

i know these are extreme example but it doesnt matter because it proves that anything is NOT possible despite any circumstance....

sure people can overcome hardship but only to an extent

As far as your claim of self-motivation as the primary driving force to succeed in HSC for ALL students...well u asked me to 'enlighten you' as to other driving forces - hows about parents or a student's school or peer pressure for a start?..
I mean, the fact that I have no self motivation and only worked hard because i felt compelled to because of friends and family disproves your so called fact because it shows and example of how not everyone succeeds because of self-motivation

I don't need to say much to you this time because you said it yourself. You need to express extreme examples to prove your point.

Again, you do not understand the sheer importance of self-motivation & drive. Parents & peers can only guide you and help you keep your direction when you lose that self-motivation. At the end of the day however, no one else is responsible for your successes & failures but yourself. And please don't waste space going back into your "extreme examples". Very unnecessary. We get it.

PS: For your own peace of mind, I did not break up your comment as you can see so as to negate all your theories about my twisting your words.

 

[InfiniteQ]

So what if i used extreme examples - it doesnt matter, the fact that these can occur disproves what you said..

What i was getting at is that you say things like "everyone" and "always" and even if theses are a few examples only and are extreme, it doesnt matter becaus eit shows that your generalisations are wrong

If it makes you feel better to take things so literally then ok... whatever makes you happy.

 

[illin]

I'd personally go to selective.

Transport wouldn't be any big deal, definitely worth an extra couple of minutes to get some higher-quality learning.

I go to a selective school myself, and hearing about my friend's schools, mostly Inner West public HS's, i think i have it much better. I too have to travel more to get to my school (~20km, no big deal)

Maybe you could find someone on here who goes to Giraween ( i know there are some) or Pats.



Sure they could help.



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um quality of learning is better at a private school as the teachers are happy cause they get paid and therefore are forced to work cause of others and im sorry but private schools are better in most ways
even helping iwth UAI!!

 

[veridis]

yes cause we all know money can buy happiness. while there'd probably be less discontent in pivate school teachers about conditions, alot of selective teachers are motivated because they actualy enjoy what they do and like interacting with stimulating students. in lower grades this isnt noticable but in senior years selective schools give you realy good teachers.
as for helping with UAI thats the biggest load of BS. both pivate an selective have good points there. in private you can prob rank higher in your school so maybe go up but the selective school will almost always rank higher as a whole so that can also bring you up. realy the decision depends upon if you work better as top of grade competing for honors or middle of the grade always competing to keep up and try and beat the average. selective school have more competition but that doesnt always suit eeryones learning style

anyway choose what you think is best for your learning style, both in terms purely academic and the social aspect that goes a long way towards shaping your motivation. while other can give you advice you should ultimately do whats you feel comfortable with

 

[lala2]

i applaud veridis' post: well done. both schools will have their merits, so really, it's up to you. i hope this thread has helped you make this decision, whether it be private or selective, but really, an internet board is not the absolutely best place for asking such a contentious question (as evidenced by the arguments in this thead before me), you have to go and experience this for yourself. everybody will be biased to their own school, so yeah....it's your choice, basically.

 

[hopeiget100]

i prefer selective

 

[Jaydels]

selective is way better i think....i find there's more competition and friendly rivalry. it makes me want to work harder to get better marks

 

[lala2]

ok, put it this way...girra, you'll probably get some pressure to do well, and if you're like me, who already put pressure on themselves and don't need any more envirnomental pressure, maybe that would not be such a good idea. self-esteem lost, is very hard to regain and when you do, the lapsing period will be too late to be recovered in terms of marks.

however, if you laern best by environmental pressure, then girra would be best because ok, maybe the private school you're considering might be an exception, but prviate schools are just basically places where anyone can go if they have the money. there will always be the people at the top, who genuinely want to learn, the people in the middle, who might want to learn but just never ever get to the top, and there's bound to be the bums down the bottom. you'd be best (if, of course, as i mentioned before, you learn best by envirnmenal pressure) to go to girra, where there are like minded people who will challenge you and keep you academically on your toes.

another factor to consider is that i heard someone who sent their daughter to a private school that, unless you send them to a really good one in terms of HSC results, it's not worth spending the money. then, in that case, a very good non-selective school or a decent selective school and/or better would be best.

so hope everything goes alright

 

[Jago]

hurlstone > girra

-_-

 

[velox]

ok, put it this way...girra, you'll probably get some pressure to do well, and if you're like me, who already put pressure on themselves and don't need any more envirnomental pressure, maybe that would not be such a good idea. self-esteem lost, is very hard to regain and when you do, the lapsing period will be too late to be recovered in terms of marks.

however, if you laern best by environmental pressure, then girra would be best because ok, maybe the private school you're considering might be an exception, but prviate schools are just basically places where anyone can go if they have the money. there will always be the people at the top, who genuinely want to learn, the people in the middle, who might want to learn but just never ever get to the top, and there's bound to be the bums down the bottom. you'd be best (if, of course, as i mentioned before, you learn best by envirnmenal pressure) to go to girra, where there are like minded people who will challenge you and keep you academically on your toes.

another factor to consider is that i heard someone who sent their daughter to a private school that, unless you send them to a really good one in terms of HSC results, it's not worth spending the money. then, in that case, a very good non-selective school or a decent selective school and/or better would be best.

so hope everything goes alright

Private schools are not just about achieving top hsc marks.

School is *supposed* to be a place of all round education. Sadly not many public schools offer that. Too much emphasis on the hsc, is churning out smart ppl, but not ppl who are smart for this world